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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 9:59:19 GMT -6
How can you possibly call Evansville moving to the OVC as a lateral move? The MVC historically has usually finished in the top ten among all college basketball conferences. This year was no different than when they finished tied for 10th with the Mountain West. The OVC, finished 29th...which is just about where they finish most years. Does that sound like a lateral move to you??? Wow... Ease up on the pendantry. It doesn't enhance the conversation. How does that explain your feeling about the jump from the MVC to the OVC as lateral? It is very much part of the conversation since the topic is about conference affliction, no? Perhaps you just wrote something that wasn't accurate at all and you would rather not address it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:40:57 GMT -6
Ease up on the pendantry. It doesn't enhance the conversation. How does that explain your feeling about the jump from the MVC to the OVC as lateral? It is very much part of the conversation since the topic is about conference affliction, no? Perhaps you just wrote something that wasn't accurate at all and you would rather not address it?
In terms of quality of play the OVC and the MVC are equivalent. They are 1 bid leagues They compete well against each other They are similar markets. What did you want beside that? If you want to discuss finances, that's not the same thing. I already have said several times that the Valley has superior numbers. You seem to be intent on starting some kind of argument. Really, if that's all you have in mind, maybe look at some of my comments before you decide to edit them. The train left the station at noon and you got on at 6 p.m. and started red-as*ing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 10:57:16 GMT -6
How can you possibly call Evansville moving to the OVC as a lateral move? The MVC historically has usually finished in the top ten among all college basketball conferences. This year was no different than when they finished tied for 10th with the Mountain West. The OVC, finished 29th...which is just about where they finish most years. Does that sound like a lateral move to you??? Wow... Ease up on the pendantry. It doesn't enhance the conversation. Duh! We have already learned from you that only you can enhance a conversation.
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Post by acecard on Mar 10, 2020 11:14:46 GMT -6
How can you possibly call Evansville moving to the OVC as a lateral move? The MVC historically has usually finished in the top ten among all college basketball conferences. This year was no different than when they finished tied for 10th with the Mountain West. The OVC, finished 29th...which is just about where they finish most years. Does that sound like a lateral move to you??? Wow... Ease up on the pendantry. It doesn't enhance the conversation. Pendantry. Not a word you hear much, mainly because it's spelled wrong. It's pedantry. Probably too elitist for this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 11:33:48 GMT -6
How does that explain your feeling about the jump from the MVC to the OVC as lateral? It is very much part of the conversation since the topic is about conference affliction, no? Perhaps you just wrote something that wasn't accurate at all and you would rather not address it?
In terms of quality of play the OVC and the MVC are equivalent. They are 1 bid leagues They compete well against each other They are similar markets. What did you want beside that? If you want to discuss finances, that's not the same thing. I already have said several times that the Valley has superior numbers. You seem to be intent on starting some kind of argument. Really, if that's all you have in mind, maybe look at some of my comments before you decide to edit them. The train left the station at noon and you got on at 6 p.m. and started red-as*ing. Okay...help me understand this. A conference that is rated in the top 10 in the country (MVC), and the OVC which is 29th, the quality of play is the same. FASCINATING. If you are actually reading, following, and comprehending the discussion, those who favor Evansville jumping to the OVC do so because it is considered to be an inferior league...one in which Evansville may be able to better compete. But you state it as lateral. Clearly it is not. I do not favor such a move at all...I am not saying you do...though honestly most of what you write seems to be more of a self-absorbed nature.
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Post by E-Villan on Mar 10, 2020 12:24:36 GMT -6
For those who think we are outpaced resource wise, consider these basketball budgets.
Loyola $6,194,444 Bradley $3,555,837 Evansville $3,231,007 Missouri St. $3,070,453 UNI $3,024,333 Drake $2,696,222 Valpo $2,693,562 Illinois St. $2,209,131 SIU $2,127,894 Indiana St. $2,055,794
This only varies greatly from the previous one I saw in that Loyola jumped from around $2.5mm. I assume a lot of this is spending Final Four money. I know Porter got a nice boost in his contract. There was another one from 2016, in which we were 3rd in as well, about 200K behind Bradley, and about even with UNI. So even with Marty, we were around the top.
Now, take a look at the OVC.
Belmont University $2,439,284 Murray State University $2,159,034 Tennessee-Martin $1,442,222 Tennessee State University $1,327,269 Tennessee Tech University $1,322,215 Southeast Missouri State University $1,294,828 Austin Peay State University $1,125,715 Jacksonville State $1,036,956 Eastern Illinois University $1,011,349 Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville $968,955
Yikes!! Again, once you get past Belmont and Murray, there are a lot of poor sisters there. How does that conference look without Murray?
This doesn't even take into account facilities and fan support, which again, we are at the top of the league.
Purplestrong, none of my ridicule was directed at you, as you did ask in a respectful manner, just looking for discussion. But, this thread did get a few ridiculous posts along the way. I agree that a far more important discussion is how do we get our performance to match our resources and facilities?
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Post by acepurple84 on Mar 10, 2020 12:33:22 GMT -6
The OVC is not a terrible conference and no one here should berate them. We beat one and had our butt$ handled to us by another. We are in what I think is the best Conference for us. We do not need to go to another one in hopes we might be better or get to the Big Dance. I do think what might have happened if we stayed in the MCC or Horizon. But that is in the past. Lets forget it and go forward.
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Post by Aces&Eights on Mar 10, 2020 12:59:52 GMT -6
For those who think we are outpaced resource wise, consider these basketball budgets. Loyola $6,194,444 Bradley $3,555,837 Evansville $3,231,007Missouri St. $3,070,453 UNI $3,024,333 Drake $2,696,222 Valpo $2,693,562 Illinois St. $2,209,131 SIU $2,127,894 Indiana St. $2,055,794 This only varies greatly from the previous one I saw in that Loyola jumped from around $2.5mm. I assume a lot of this is spending Final Four money. I know Porter got a nice boost in his contract. There was another one from 2016, in which we were 3rd in as well, about 200K behind Bradley, and about even with UNI. So even with Marty, we were around the top. Now, take a look at the OVC. Belmont University $2,439,284 Murray State University $2,159,034 Tennessee-Martin $1,442,222 Tennessee State University $1,327,269 Tennessee Tech University $1,322,215 Southeast Missouri State University $1,294,828 Austin Peay State University $1,125,715 Jacksonville State $1,036,956 Eastern Illinois University $1,011,349 Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville $968,955 Yikes!! Again, once you get past Belmont and Murray, there are a lot of poor sisters there. How does that conference look without Murray? This doesn't even take into account facilities and fan support, which again, we are at the top of the league. Purplestrong, none of my ridicule was directed at you, as you did ask in a respectful manner, just looking for discussion. But, this thread did get a few ridiculous posts along the way. I agree that a far more important discussion is how do we get our performance to match our resources and facilities? To add to your statistics. For the 2019 season the MVC ranked 11th among conferences with an average of 4,395 fans per game. OVC was 17th at 2,240 fans per game. To further show how skewed the attendance is for the OVC, Murray State averaged 5,442 fans, Belmont 2634 fans, Jacksonville St. 2,146 fans, and Austin Peay 1,997 fans per game. The other 6 teams in the OVC averaged between 965 and 1,737.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 13:21:33 GMT -6
The OVC is not a terrible conference and no one here should berate them. We beat one and had our butt$ handled to us by another. We are in what I think is the best Conference for us. We do not need to go to another one in hopes we might be better or get to the Big Dance. I do think what might have happened if we stayed in the MCC or Horizon. But that is in the past. Lets forget it and go forward. I agree about the OVC (and any other conference.) I don't make it a habit to berate any college team. As a college basketball fan I appreciate them all. However, some conferences are better than others...I am proud of the fact that the Aces play in the conference that they do. My hope is that the program has the right people now in place and we can effectively move forward. I am with you!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 13:23:19 GMT -6
E-Villan, do you know if the numbers you listed for budgets include actually tuition cost?
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Post by 83Ace on Mar 10, 2020 13:49:30 GMT -6
E-Villan, do you know if the numbers you listed for budgets include actually tuition cost? I was wondering the same thing. It seems notable that the private schools are 5 of the top 7. (And we know that our coach's salary is towards the bottom.)
The UE website lists cost of attendance (tuition, room and board, books, miscellaneous) as $53,676. For 13 scholarship players that would be just short of $700,000. For comparison, Indiana State lists cost of attendance as $23,682 for in-state students and $34,606 for out of state students. So let's say scholarships are worth twice as much at UE than at public schools, or $350,000 more. For the sake of comparison, take $350,000 off of the private schools' totals and we are still in the top half of the conference.
I would be interested to know what all goes into that total basketball budget figure.
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Post by acecard on Mar 10, 2020 14:15:11 GMT -6
For those who think we are outpaced resource wise, consider these basketball budgets. Loyola $6,194,444 Bradley $3,555,837 Evansville $3,231,007Missouri St. $3,070,453 UNI $3,024,333 Drake $2,696,222 Valpo $2,693,562 Illinois St. $2,209,131 SIU $2,127,894 Indiana St. $2,055,794 This only varies greatly from the previous one I saw in that Loyola jumped from around $2.5mm. I assume a lot of this is spending Final Four money. I know Porter got a nice boost in his contract. There was another one from 2016, in which we were 3rd in as well, about 200K behind Bradley, and about even with UNI. So even with Marty, we were around the top. Now, take a look at the OVC. Belmont University $2,439,284 Murray State University $2,159,034 Tennessee-Martin $1,442,222 Tennessee State University $1,327,269 Tennessee Tech University $1,322,215 Southeast Missouri State University $1,294,828 Austin Peay State University $1,125,715 Jacksonville State $1,036,956 Eastern Illinois University $1,011,349 Southern Illinois University-Edwardsville $968,955 Yikes!! Again, once you get past Belmont and Murray, there are a lot of poor sisters there. How does that conference look without Murray? This doesn't even take into account facilities and fan support, which again, we are at the top of the league. Purplestrong, none of my ridicule was directed at you, as you did ask in a respectful manner, just looking for discussion. But, this thread did get a few ridiculous posts along the way. I agree that a far more important discussion is how do we get our performance to match our resources and facilities? It would appear that we have not been getting our moneys worth for awhile.
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Post by E-Villan on Mar 10, 2020 18:20:18 GMT -6
Good questions on the tuition. I am not sure, but will try to find out. It would seem tuition at Drake and Valpo would be relative.
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Post by COUTEAU on Mar 10, 2020 18:34:07 GMT -6
Not sure if the comment(s) were directed towards me or not. But, I'll respond.....'cause, at this moment, have nothing better to do. I have no concern or opinion, at this date in time, what conference the university associates itself with. If The ACES, should stay or go, it doesn't matter to me. Just want them to win, as much as the rest of you. My above comment....as well as what I had posted on both PAF & The Purple Code, prior, was about the original move from The MCC/MWC/Horizon to The VALLEY. I thought because..... Geographical proximity... Nebraska?...Iowa?....Kansas? Half dozen OVC schools helped fill Coach Walter's first complete season. (In the mid 9O's) Several established OVC members had become yearly scheduled rivals. Crews had continued scheduling OVC universities. Geez, the city sits on the banks of The Ohio, not Missouri River. Evansville (city & school) would have been crowning jewel of that conference. To me, The OVC was just the natural fit.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 20:45:32 GMT -6
UE would not benefit moving into a conference that isn't better. For the wingding who evidently accused me of advocating for that ... reading is fundamental. I wish I had all 10 fingers. I'd have spelled pedantry correctly.
But it's time to go.
There is no need for these exchanges.
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