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Post by acecard on Mar 9, 2021 11:33:07 GMT -6
I don't know what qualifications a new coach needs if they can't recruit players who fit their style. Even at that, not unlike the men's program -- slow and short on talent is going to end up being a bad combination. I don't think the issue about Buss is whether she is the best qualified but rather if she is the right person for the job. Getting the most qualified person from a program that rarely wins -- yeah, whatever. The coach needs to call people who will answer the phone and listen to a good recruiting story. Buss will get a head coaching job eventually. I would certainly give her a shot. She has good name recognition, and certainly knows how the game should be played. We don't know how good of a recruiter she would be, but I like her chances over the buffoon we have now.
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Post by ibleedpurple on Mar 9, 2021 22:44:57 GMT -6
We have no reason I can think of not to make the move to Buss. She cannot do any worse than what we have right now.
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Post by E-Villan on Mar 10, 2021 9:15:32 GMT -6
We have no reason I can think of not to make the move to Buss. She cannot do any worse than what we have right now. I agree she would be an improvement, but no one is answering why Buss over Pacholke. Other than not being from the area, Pacholke appears way more qualified at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 10:57:27 GMT -6
We have no reason I can think of not to make the move to Buss. She cannot do any worse than what we have right now. I agree she would be an improvement, but no one is answering why Buss over Pacholke. Other than not being from the area, Pacholke appears way more qualified at this point. At your service. Pacholke is "way more qualified" if total years as an assistant is the measurement. Her best W-L year with the Aces happened to be during Tyra's first year. Coincidence? If years as a coach is the determining factor, Ruffing is more qualified than either of them. Seniority can be a poor indicator of leadership ability. From her bio, we learn that she was "on the staff" at the University of Florida during a successful year. I must assume that she was not sitting in the important courtside chairs or her title would have been front and center. We also learned that she was not really much of a player. As a senior at Newberry College she played in all 32 games, averaging 10 minutes, but only scored a total of 34 points. Meanwhile, four year starter Tyra Buss was a four-year starter and became the Hoosiers’ all-time leading scorer with 2,364 career points. There are even more superlatives about her career that I won't bother mentioning in the interest of time. True, it isn't necessary to have been a great player in order to be better than Matt Ruffing. But on the recruiting trail, UE will be talking up the chance to play for and learn from a Big Ten legend more than they will the chance to play for an assistant with a Master's degree in sports management whose 3-year win total as an assistant before Tyra arrived was 10, which included a 3-year total of 2 conference wins. Being local has nothing to do with this easy choice. In terms of accomplishment, it is actually Tyra Buss who is way more qualified.
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Post by acecard on Mar 10, 2021 14:53:17 GMT -6
I agree she would be an improvement, but no one is answering why Buss over Pacholke. Other than not being from the area, Pacholke appears way more qualified at this point. At your service. Pacholke is "way more qualified" if total years as an assistant is the measurement. Her best W-L year with the Aces happened to be during Tyra's first year. Coincidence? If years as a coach is the determining factor, Ruffing is more qualified than either of them. Seniority can be a poor indicator of leadership ability. From her bio, we learn that she was "on the staff" at the University of Florida during a successful year. I must assume that she was not sitting in the important courtside chairs or her title would have been front and center. We also learned that she was not really much of a player. As a senior at Newberry College she played in all 32 games, averaging 10 minutes, but only scored a total of 34 points. Meanwhile, four year starter Tyra Buss was a four-year starter and became the Hoosiers’ all-time leading scorer with 2,364 career points. There are even more superlatives about her career that I won't bother mentioning in the interest of time. True, it isn't necessary to have been a great player in order to be better than Matt Ruffing. But on the recruiting trail, UE will be talking up the chance to play for and learn from a Big Ten legend more than they will the chance to play for an assistant with a Master's degree in sports management whose 3-year win total as an assistant before Tyra arrived was 10, which included a 3-year total of 2 conference wins. Being local has nothing to do with this easy choice. In terms of accomplishment, it is actually Tyra Buss who is way more qualified. I could not agree more.
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Post by aces15 on Mar 11, 2021 9:28:24 GMT -6
Ruffing and his staff are really nice people, but It's time for some new energy if we ever want to be taken serious. As for our next coach, I can't see how Buss is the answer. One year as an assistant coach and now we think she is ready to be in charge of an MVC program? We have really reached a low point if we feel she's as good as we can get.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 13:22:38 GMT -6
Ruffing and his staff are really nice people, but It's time for some new energy if we ever want to be taken serious. As for our next coach, I can't see how Buss is the answer. One year as an assistant coach and now we think she is ready to be in charge of an MVC program? We have really reached a low point if we feel she's as good as we can get. Sure, open up the application process and see what it brings. Sounds good to me. Tyra Buss will be the answer somewhere. For her sake, I'd like to see her test the waters elsewhere rather than stay where women's basketball is held in such low regard.
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Post by aceshigh on Mar 11, 2021 15:51:10 GMT -6
I’ve never seen a UE Woman’s game in person as I live 2,000 miles from Evansville and I haven’t even visited there in a dozen years. I have however watched a number of them on ESPN.
Since the arrival of Tyra Buss I’ve tried to watch her during timeouts to see how she was interacting with various team members. I noticed that during most games she was in teaching mode and was usually very active coaching. When watching men’s basketball programs I look for and see many of the same process.
I’ve watched a number of videos of some of the top men’s coaches in the country and one thing that keeps repeating is the coach’s ability to be on the floor and teach technique to improve the players skills. I’ve seen many videos of Bobby Knight doing that very thing. To me this is an important skill to have. I was a baseball player and was fortunate to have several coaches and assistants who played professionally and they worked on my skills, or lack of, in the same way. Xs and Os and game strategy can be learned from books but I like coaches who can teach what they know.
Will Tyra Buss ever be a good basketball head coach. I don’t know and only time will tell and that’s something she has plenty of. What I do believe is that the most important thing needed to improve the Women’s program at UE is recruiting. We have had a number of young women recruits in the Tri-State area who have gone on to play D-I and been quite successful. I believe Tyra has something to sell to these women and their families by coming to UE. Right now there’s a pretty good one at Mt Vernon, IN whose father was pretty well connected to the Aces. I think Tyra could be that recruiter to turn around the program.
I say make the change and give her a shot. What’s the worse that could happen? A few more big time losing seasons? We already have that. Give her a 4-year contract to give her time to change the direction with the understanding that she controls her future. Then she can either sink or swim.
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Post by austinace on Mar 11, 2021 22:30:57 GMT -6
Right now there’s a pretty good one at Mt Vernon, IN whose father was pretty well connected to the Aces. I think Tyra could be that recruiter to turn around the program. I presume you are talking about Brooke Jackson, daughter of Reed Jackson. Unfortunately she is already committed to the University of Miami on a volleyball scholarship per this article. "Brooke Jackson will continue her student-athlete career studying physical therapy at The University of Miami at Oxford, Ohio while playing volleyball."
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Post by ad1770 on Mar 12, 2021 7:54:09 GMT -6
Look, we all know Ruffing came on the cheap. They had to until they can get the men’s side of the ledger straightened up. If they hired Buss now and she excelled, what would keep her here? They couldn’t give her more money. That’s why I think the signed Ruffing to his extension. Find an assistant that could take over in a few years after the men are on solid footing again.
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Post by 83Ace on Mar 12, 2021 9:46:47 GMT -6
Look, we all know Ruffing came on the cheap. They had to until they can get the men’s side of the ledger straightened up. If they hired Buss now and she excelled, what would keep her here? They couldn’t give her more money. That’s why I think the signed Ruffing to his extension. Find an assistant that could take over in a few years after the men are on solid footing again. If a new coach excelled and moved on, I would be thrilled. And it's not like we are going to be paying a massive salary, regardless of who is hired.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 10:00:01 GMT -6
For sure, Tyra Buss didn't just 'show up' at UE because she had noplace to be. She was the Legend at IU and she is an assistant because she has a future as a head coach. Get your training where you will, so being near her home probably mattered for the wage she is being paid. When the revamp of UE sports comes in 2 years, the program will decidedly be in regression at this rate. You could hire me to coach that team because the only thing the coach will accomplish is filling out the starting lineup.
If Aces WBB matters, you go for it now. Hire the Legend.
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Post by E-Villan on Mar 12, 2021 11:23:17 GMT -6
Wholeheartedly agree. At this point, I can't imagine the parent of any potential recruit not saying, hey, he might be a nice guy, but he's getting canned at any moment, you need to take another offer.
Three years ago, I was in favor of getting the men's program in shape before tackling this, but the fire is completely out of control at this point. I can't imagine he has any ability to recruit, and there can't be any respect in the league for him or the state of the program. I said it before, but these girls deserve better.
If Tyra is given the job and she excels, then we are lightyears from where we are today. Waiting with this anchor around the program does nothing, and if Tyra is the heir-apparent, we better lock it up before she gets another offer. This boat isn't sinking, it's sunk.
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Post by 83Ace on Mar 12, 2021 11:30:05 GMT -6
This board's fascination with Tyra Buss began with a (somewhat in jest) comment about hiring her as the new men's coach and has exploded. I wonder if she is aware of all this and what her reaction would be. She may be a faithful board reader. I would guess that having got her foot in the door to coaching, she is very likely to move on to a Big Ten or other power school as an assistant, and sooner rather than later, unless there is a bigger opportunity here. Spending several years as an assistant at a mid-major cellar dweller is not exactly the fast track to career advancement.
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Post by Aces&Eights on Mar 12, 2021 12:21:31 GMT -6
Spending several years as an assistant at a mid-major cellar dweller is not exactly the fast track to career advancement. Geoff Alexander - Asst. HC at Illinois and Chris Hollender - Asst. coach at Missouri. Both UE assistants under Simmons.
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