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Post by aceslfer on Jan 13, 2020 19:13:01 GMT -6
perhaps there was no truth to the Title IX allegations, but UE has now to consider the "behavior and conduct" of Coach, thus the deliberation of how to proceed, retain or dismiss?
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Post by sect3purple on Jan 13, 2020 19:26:59 GMT -6
I have thought for some time now...and posted on this site several days ago ...that if there has been no crime reported and if there are no NCAA violations, this might be a moral, behavioral question ( and I understand this sort of thing cannot be written into a contract) that will have to be determined by the university....just seems like this is taking a long time to "investigate" and surely if the accusations are based on something legally dictating as to the action to take, that this shouldn't be taking so long...and hurting the program every day it goes on. Not saying this is what is happening, but the longer this goes on it seems like this is a "grey", not a "black and white" area.... Now we have new recruits committing? The coach's show tonight was a total waste of time, at least for me...no new info...and I really could care less what Bennie's basketball experience as a player was! Sorry, I just want this whole mess to be over before we all just throw up our hands and "leave the Ford Center."
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Post by wildbill on Jan 13, 2020 19:48:50 GMT -6
I think something will happen soon. It has to. Everyone can see what this chaos is doing to our kids.
Anybody know if DeAndre Williams is playing in Terre Haute Wednesday? I will go if he's playing, if not, I will stay home and watch the game on TV.
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Post by coachd88 on Jan 13, 2020 20:26:01 GMT -6
I think something will happen soon. It has to. Everyone can see what this chaos is doing to our kids. Anybody know if DeAndre Williams is playing in Terre Haute Wednesday? I will go if he's playing, if not, I will stay home and watch the game on TV. Supposedly...No....again subject to change
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Post by coachd88 on Jan 13, 2020 20:32:57 GMT -6
I have thought for some time now...and posted on this site several days ago ...that if there has been no crime reported and if there are no NCAA violations, this might be a moral, behavioral question ( and I understand this sort of thing cannot be written into a contract) that will have to be determined by the university....just seems like this is taking a long time to "investigate" and surely if the accusations are based on something legally dictating as to the action to take, that this shouldn't be taking so long...and hurting the program every day it goes on. Not saying this is what is happening, but the longer this goes on it seems like this is a "grey", not a "black and white" area.... Now we have new recruits committing? The coach's show tonight was a total waste of time, at least for me...no new info...and I really could care less what Bennie's basketball experience as a player was! Sorry, I just want this whole mess to be over before we all just throw up our hands and "leave the Ford Center." Another effort or 2 last, like the last 2, and I don't see the faithful sticking around until the last tv timeout. I was floored at the mass exodus during the final tv timeout last time at the Ford. The fans understand a lot...but they cannot understand lack of effort and selfish play. Your post from the other night should be printed off and placed all around the locker room and in the Ford!
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Post by sect3purple on Jan 13, 2020 22:03:30 GMT -6
coachd88, My post to the Aces ( wish I could talk to these guys - I am a long-time fan of the Aces- not a coach - and have had years of teaching and being a mother and a grandmother, feel like they're MY kids)can be found on the 2nd page on the " attendance" topic...
I hope my team is done sulking and realize that it's time to remember who and what they are...the strong play on the court will come when they do...Play like you Give a Damn, ACES!
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Post by municup14 on Jan 14, 2020 5:22:52 GMT -6
Ok,this whole recruiting thing is mind boggling. 1st we have 3 kids commit, 1 signs,and we only have 2 scholarships available. Coach goes on administrative leave,then Samari who is offered a little over a month ago,per Benny,Samari starts school and gets the last available scholarship and he signs knowing Walt might not be his coach.None of the other kids re open there recruiting process.Then some sources are saying that Cunliff said he is coming back next year.
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Post by acepurple84 on Jan 14, 2020 5:28:09 GMT -6
Ok,this whole recruiting thing is mind boggling. 1st we have 3 kids commit, 1 signs,and we only have 2 scholarships available. Coach goes on administrative leave,then Samari who is offered a little over a month ago,per Benny,Samari starts school and gets the last available scholarship and he signs knowing Walt might not be his coach.None of the other kids re open there recruiting process.Then some sources are saying that Cunliff said he is coming back next year. Yep i would say everything is clear as "Mud".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 8:34:41 GMT -6
If I were to guess what the "hold-up" is concerning McCarty and the university is the settlement. My hope is if that is the case, the school should not have to pay one dime.
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Post by E-Villan on Jan 14, 2020 9:29:34 GMT -6
If I were to guess what the "hold-up" is concerning McCarty and the university is the settlement. My hope is if that is the case, the school should not have to pay one dime. Or, the allegations are not all that strong or decisive, and there are negotiations with the complainant...who the heck knows? I think the poster who said Cunliffe was quoted as staying said it was before the McCarty situation. I would have expected him to say that at that point. Most mud is clearer than this mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2020 9:38:55 GMT -6
Try some research. Per 40 minutes played or 100 possessions played Shamar leads the team in steals, fewest turnovers, assists, and assist to turnover ratio. In fact, in overall games played he leads all MVC players in assist to turnover ratio at 3.6. He is a 71% FT shooter and a better 3-pt shooter than Sam, Noah and Evan. His height does bring down his overall FG% but give him credit for fearlessly taking it right to the bigs on occasion. Mr Whiskers is a huge fan of Shamar. Further, the turmoil hasn't slowed Shamar, he still leaves it all on the floor. He is as close as the team has to a leader. AND, he is nothing at all like Shea Feehan. Not. Even. A. Little. Bit. MVC stats show him @ #21 in Assists/Gm @ 2.1, which is about one (1) every 10 min of p/t (he avg's 20 min/gm). Nothing to brag about here for a PG. Roman Penn of Drake leads @ 5.9. ***UE has the worst ball movement in the MVC! He rates #18 in Steals/Gm @ 1. ***UE ranks dead last in the MVC in Defense. He shoots - 34% (20/59) 2's & 33% (10/30) 3's. ***This is Par for UE which shoots 33% from 3 pt. range Rather than compare WITHIN the team, perhaps you should look @ the MVC competition. This isn't the Intramural League. www.mvc.org/mbb/stats/CONFLDRS.HTM#conf.wkiMajor flaw. Ignoring Shamar's overall contribution to point guard play by focusing only on his contribution in the post-McCarty suspension games where most players are simply going through the motions without full commitment fails as a debate point. And lest we forget, all of the MVC teams had an "Intramural League" in November and December and Shamar rose to the top. But back to the beginning of this discussion, you began by contending that Shamar, one of the few who is still focused during the turmoil, should be the first to go. That's laughable. His key stats as a point guard are better than the other Aces guards. Plain and simple. As for his size, nearly every MVC team has a guard under 6 feet. There is nothing unusual about it. Shamar deserves more minutes. Full stop.
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Post by Tom Servo on Jan 14, 2020 10:03:53 GMT -6
Castle69, Usually I agree with you - but I am with Whiskers on this. Givance always gives effort and he does attempt to make the extra pass after penetrating to try and set up a teammate. He also does a good job of avoiding TO's (Great Assist to TO ratio) and attempting to get out on the break. Sure, he has some limitations because of size but I think at this point in time he's the best we've got. The one guy who should be immediately eliminated from PG duties it's Riley. He's pretty good when he's slashing off the ball (Williams and him have connected on some good passes where he's either been fouled or scored). But when he's got the ball at the top of the key trying to do something it usually doesn't end well. The ball doesn't move, he isn't a good shooter, and like you said earlier UE has some of the worst Ball movement in the MVC and he's a big reason why.
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Post by ad1770 on Jan 14, 2020 10:13:41 GMT -6
Castle69, Usually I agree with you - but I am with Whiskers on this. Givance always gives effort and he does attempt to make the extra pass after penetrating to try and set up a teammate. He also does a good job of avoiding TO's (Great Assist to TO ratio) and attempting to get out on the break. Sure, he has some limitations because of size but I think at this point in time he's the best we've got. The one guy who should be immediately eliminated from PG duties it's Riley. He's pretty good when he's slashing off the ball (Williams and him have connected on some good passes where he's either been fouled or scored). But when he's got the ball at the top of the key trying to do something it usually doesn't end well. The ball doesn't move, he isn't a good shooter, and like you said earlier UE has some of the worst Ball movement in the MVC and he's a big reason why. Thank you for saying what I was going to say Tom.
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Post by acecard on Jan 14, 2020 10:48:08 GMT -6
Castle69, Usually I agree with you - but I am with Whiskers on this. Givance always gives effort and he does attempt to make the extra pass after penetrating to try and set up a teammate. He also does a good job of avoiding TO's (Great Assist to TO ratio) and attempting to get out on the break. Sure, he has some limitations because of size but I think at this point in time he's the best we've got. The one guy who should be immediately eliminated from PG duties it's Riley. He's pretty good when he's slashing off the ball (Williams and him have connected on some good passes where he's either been fouled or scored). But when he's got the ball at the top of the key trying to do something it usually doesn't end well. The ball doesn't move, he isn't a good shooter, and like you said earlier UE has some of the worst Ball movement in the MVC and he's a big reason why. Thank you for saying what I was going to say Tom. I'm with Tom on this also. Shamar isn't perfect, but he's the best we've got.
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Post by COUTEAU on Jan 14, 2020 11:47:22 GMT -6
I want so bad to absolutely love KJ's game. I think there are very few (if any) that work harder than KJ, to be a better player. His status, is rewarded by his desire to be better. But, I cringe every time he tucks his head and bolts for the basket, like a 1973 OSU Fullback rushing against UM. The prayers he launches are graced only by the fouls, he's able to collect. Saying all that....I concur, though. The ACES, should be handed over to "The Canadian Comet".
go aces
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