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Post by wildbill on Feb 28, 2024 14:27:31 GMT -6
NET Rankings: The MVC is 9th with an average NET of 137. The OVC is 28th with an average NET of 274.45. bracketologists.com/conferences/Evansville’s NET rating is 199 and USI’s rating is 324. USI is 5-21. UE is 14-14 (against D1 teams). A 2-1 offer is more than fair IMO. A game at USI is truly a home court advantage for USI. The Ford Center is an off-site location that can hold more people and the OVC has its conference tournament there. So it is not nearly the same home court advantage as a game at USI is. USI has a lot more to gain and UE is still giving USI a 2-1 offer. Take it and get the series started as the fans will be the winners. Why on earth would we ever take a road game at USI? Every road game we take is better than that. Exactly, playing at USI doesn't make any sense. Honestly, it probably would be beneficial to both schools (financially) to play every season at The Ford Center and split the revenue? And, FWIW, I don't see how anybody could compare the OVC to the MVC. Yes, under the current circumstances, each league gets 1 bid. I imagine many MVC teams would win the OVC. I have always said USI could only gain from playing UE. If they lose, they can say it's the better conference. If they win, they'll act like they won some kind of championship. I think it would create a lot of revenue for both programs.
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Post by E-Villan on Feb 28, 2024 14:31:00 GMT -6
NKU is a growing university, has great facilities, attendance and good coverage in a large market. I don't see anyone in a better position and frankly, I think they bring more to the table than Valpo and have more fans and interest than UIC or even Belmont.
The Valley profile has always been solid schools with a lot of fan interest. Murray has been the only recent add that checks those boxes.
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Post by aces44 on Feb 28, 2024 19:13:31 GMT -6
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Post by pilotj on Feb 28, 2024 21:12:38 GMT -6
Back to topic before it derailed. If Mo. St. leaves, would you rather see us get one and stay at 12, or be proactive and pick up 3 to go to 14, and who would it be for you? There's nothing "proactive" about adding teams just to hit a number.
If MSU were to go, the presidents council would likely try to find a public school with FCS football who isn't already in the MVFC. So to me that means either Austin Peay or Western Illinois. Neither one of those moves the needle much in hoops.
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Post by ATP on Feb 29, 2024 10:19:42 GMT -6
The only thing that expanding the NCAAs to 80 (or any fixed number) is to allow for host sites to get some more tourism dollars from fans who can afford to travel. The mid-majors that are sent an email invitation will get the 10 a.m. game in Boise against all odds. But at least they get in, and that's all any of us is really asking for -- just a chance. All this after forcing teams in 16-team conferences to play 4 games in 72 hours and expect anything resembling a real competition -- provided the refs haven't turned it into a foul-shot circus -- yeah, you need a real deep bench and a few lucky hops.
I honestly don't know if expanding the Mo. Valley Conference is good/bad/no change of an idea. The further removed we get from actually cheering for our university team, the less important that is to me. I found it funny once listening to some UK fan telling me about their legendary college program -- one that is represented by a group of one-and-done all-stars who couldn't find Lexington if they were standing at the city limits sign.
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Post by aces44 on Feb 29, 2024 10:50:02 GMT -6
Expanding the Tournament to 80 keeps the 2 bid MVC dream alive It’s dead and buried without expansion
2 bids = more $$ = extended life expectancy
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Post by 65pointgame on Feb 29, 2024 11:13:33 GMT -6
Expanding the Tournament to 80 keeps the 2 bid MVC dream alive It’s dead and buried without expansion 2 bids = more $$ = extended life expectancy
Or does it open the door for the P5 8th-10th teams?
I think there is a good chance for a 2 MVC teams this year if ISU loses the championship game in St. Louis. A guy like Avila is a good story line -- and Izzo has pretty much said they belong in the tournament.
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Post by aces44 on Feb 29, 2024 11:17:59 GMT -6
Expanding the Tournament to 80 keeps the 2 bid MVC dream alive It’s dead and buried without expansion 2 bids = more $$ = extended life expectancy
Or does it open the door for the P5 8th-10th teams?
I think there is a good chance for a 2 MVC teams this year if ISU loses the championship game in St. Louis. A guy like Avila is a good story line -- and Izzo has pretty much said they belong in the tournament.
I hear what you are saying, but I believe if they really don’t want any more MM’s, they will just start their own P5 only tournament
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Post by ATP on Feb 29, 2024 11:23:48 GMT -6
Expanding the Tournament to 80 keeps the 2 bid MVC dream alive It’s dead and buried without expansion 2 bids = more $$ = extended life expectancy
Or does it open the door for the P5 8th-10th teams?
I think there is a good chance for a 2 MVC teams this year if ISU loses the championship game in St. Louis. A guy like Avila is a good story line -- and Izzo has pretty much said they belong in the tournament.
Drake and ISU are both better than the bottom half of the Big 10, and probably are better than half the Pac 12. I don't know that most years we can say that. Meaning, when the opportunity comes for a mid-major to get a 2nd bid, by-god it's important for the NCAA to have the gumption to at least make it happen. But they won't.
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Post by aces44 on Feb 29, 2024 11:56:29 GMT -6
Or does it open the door for the P5 8th-10th teams?
I think there is a good chance for a 2 MVC teams this year if ISU loses the championship game in St. Louis. A guy like Avila is a good story line -- and Izzo has pretty much said they belong in the tournament.
Drake and ISU are both better than the bottom half of the Big 10, and probably are better than half the Pac 12. I don't know that most years we can say that. Meaning, when the opportunity comes for a mid-major to get a 2nd bid, by-god it's important for the NCAA to have the gumption to at least make it happen. But they won't. Try to stay with me here… That’s why we need 80 teams!
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Post by ATP on Feb 29, 2024 12:58:45 GMT -6
Drake and ISU are both better than the bottom half of the Big 10, and probably are better than half the Pac 12. I don't know that most years we can say that. Meaning, when the opportunity comes for a mid-major to get a 2nd bid, by-god it's important for the NCAA to have the gumption to at least make it happen. But they won't. Try to stay with me here… That’s why we need 80 teams! I not only think we need 80, I think we need 96. Hell, I'd open it up to all 367 of them. It's not like they can't do that in 4 weeks. Indiana H.S. has been doing it for 80 years. Odds are you don't believe this, but I actually agree with you. But you need to discuss it from several angles. NCAA doesn't give two s**ts about the MMs.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Feb 29, 2024 13:13:57 GMT -6
Expanding the Tournament to 80 keeps the 2 bid MVC dream alive It’s dead and buried without expansion 2 bids = more $$ = extended life expectancy
Or does it open the door for the P5 8th-10th teams?
I think there is a good chance for a 2 MVC teams this year if ISU loses the championship game in St. Louis. A guy like Avila is a good story line -- and Izzo has pretty much said they belong in the tournament.
Sadly, I think the Q4 loss at home to ISU followed by the loss to SIU may have closed the door on an at large for them. I hope I’m wrong because they’re incredibly talented and deserve to be in even if the lose in STL, but the selection committee is going to hold the ISU loss over their head on selection Sunday. It doesn’t help that their non con schedule only provided them two opportunities for Q1 victories too. I respect them for aiming high with MSU and Bama, but it would’ve been nice for them to get a team like Cincinatti on the schedule. They would’ve beaten that Cincy team most nights and secured a Q1 win for the resume.
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Post by 65pointgame on Feb 29, 2024 15:15:08 GMT -6
Drake and ISU are both better than the bottom half of the Big 10, and probably are better than half the Pac 12. I don't know that most years we can say that. Meaning, when the opportunity comes for a mid-major to get a 2nd bid, by-god it's important for the NCAA to have the gumption to at least make it happen. But they won't. Try to stay with me here… That’s why we need 80 teams! I understand what you are saying, but still believe in most years the 69-80th spots are going to be reserved for Power schools. The Power conferences want everyone of their teams in the dance so they can cash $$$ in as they go from 12 to 14 to 16 to 18 conference teams.
Maybe ISU does not get in this year, but in an 80 team tournament they do --- I am not so confident in that happening.
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Post by ATP on Feb 29, 2024 15:55:08 GMT -6
I haven't seen the NCAA do one single blooming thing in the last 4 years that remotely was aimed at helping the mid-majors. The closest they came was pretending the CBI was supposed to give the HBCU programs a financial boost. I notice those guys are still playing all 13 of their non-con games on the road. If anything, an expanded tournament field will come with some other form of restriction. Here's your million dollars, Drake. Remember you have to spend it on system upgrades.
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Post by aces44 on Feb 29, 2024 16:14:50 GMT -6
I hear what both of you are saying, but Lunardi tackles that point (or try’s to) in this article You have to have an ESPN+ membership but if you watch road games then you have that already
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