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Post by ncace on Apr 15, 2021 9:35:32 GMT -6
Money will be the X factor for some of these candidates.. Think the SEMO coach is making in the range of $100k. Suspect IU and ULMmay be paying at least one of the assts. in the same ballpark. You certainly have a point about experience, but we can’t sacrifice determination, bench coaching, and recruiting skill for experience alone. Whether she is a head coach now, or just an assistant, Tyra will be a HC within 3-5 yrs. Whatever the final decision, we should not settle for a caretaker. Whoever gets this job must hit the ground running with a plan to GET COMPETITIVE NOW.
Frankly, we have the same situation with the men’s team. With all the changes in transfer rules, etc., D1 teams cannot afford to look more than a year, max. 2 yrs. ahead to staff a team with talent. There will not be many cases where mid-majors will be able to develop players over 2-3 years, redshirt, etc. and KEEP them. The P5s will take the good players ASAP, so mid-majors may have to scour the D2 ranks for players who can provide immediate help. Example is Loyola’s Tate Hall from UIndy.
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Post by heavensvilleace on Apr 15, 2021 9:55:33 GMT -6
I'm just past ready for them to do their work and get us a new program leader. And I really want TB to succeed if head coaching is her goal so I almost think it would be unfair to unload this mess that we call our wbb program onto a rookie HC. lol like I said plenty of people applied (don't know about 75+ haha) but I just hope to the lord that our admin that surely knows or cares nothing about wbb took the advice of buss and our remaining staff (along with local wbb people like phil Kessler ect) who know the league really well. I have little to no faith in our athletic department at this point but ready for this change to happen! While they drag their feet other (better) MVC jobs are opening up!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 10:17:17 GMT -6
Honestly, if you want success in the Valley or any of the 350 women's teams not included in the annual top 10, you look to be able to win half your games. That's not a lot to ask for, it's achievable and completes your task. These women are not going pro. The university is offering them academic financial support, a place to compete in a sport they enjoy and after that, mature in any way that suits them.
If I really believed UE was on the cusp of giving Stanford, Baylor or UConn a game, we'd have been a lot farther along that path than the 3 or 4 games Ruffing was able to win against non-con teams that had even less ambition than UE has shown.
I could make 20 phone calls to any of 50 high schools within an hour of Evansville and find 12 young women who could come together and win 15 games in the Valley. That's not recruiting. That's just busywork. How did Ruffing manage to avoid even putting that much effort into it?
Competitive? Set some goals. If I support women's BB, I want to go to a game and buy a ticket, hope to see a game where my favorite team has a chance to win. Not. Much. More. The Valley might MIGHT produce a Sweet 16 team here and there and if you know where to click on the ESPN website, you might learn where they play. You won't know anything about their opponent and even if you go to the school's website, the "bio" information on these girls is laughable.
One of (if not THE) nation's leading scorers this year was Grace Beyer at the University of Health Sciences and Pharmacy. The Eutectics! She was better than anybody on the UE roster and she's at UHSP to get a degree in a science profession, not to play in the WNBA. Hell, Tyra Buss, who set records at IU, didn't even get drafted in the WNBA.
I actually am pretty dull and did watch Beyer play some games on streaming, so I sort of have an idea about her skills. Just thought I'd include that for people who say, "she's not that good if she's a Eut."
Realize your goals here. Stay in the mix.
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Post by boomerevv on Apr 15, 2021 13:42:44 GMT -6
fixing to poke at the hornets nest with this comment dont think it matters who the next aces womens coach is most likely he or she will be the last since the ncaa changed their transgender stance and more recently made rulings concerning awarding states with championship events to be based on the the that individual states own rules for trans-athletes its just a matter of time with these new guidelines and president bidens recent executive orders it will tie everything up in court and most likely kill title iv going forward only the very few of the wealthiest d1 universities will want to field teams afraid of having to deal with that mess biological born females will never be able to compete on the high school level or beyond and most will just quit playing competitive sports think im a just a maga torah thumping conservative just research connecticut girls track and field you can start here www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6btYpcgU0it ruined many teenage girls quest for athletic scholarships girls sports after jr high will be dominated by transgender participants high school female athletes wanting to compete at the highest collegiate level will only have this new woke progressive agenda to thank
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Post by heavensvilleace on Apr 15, 2021 14:31:28 GMT -6
fixing to poke at the hornets nest with this comment dont think it matters who the next aces womens coach is most likely he or she will be the last since the ncaa changed their transgender stance and more recently made rulings concerning awarding states with championship events to be based on the the that individual states own rules for trans-athletes its just a matter of time with these new guidelines and president bidens recent executive orders it will tie everything up in court and most likely kill title iv going forward only the very few of the wealthiest d1 universities will want to field teams afraid of having to deal with that mess biological born females will never be able to compete on the high school level or beyond and most will just quit playing competitive sports think im a just a maga torah thumping conservative just research connecticut girls track and field you can start here www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6btYpcgU0it ruined many teenage girls quest for athletic scholarships girls sports after jr high will be dominated by transgender participants high school female athletes wanting to compete at the highest collegiate level will only have this new woke progressive agenda to thank You are allowed your opinion of course..but this comment isn't even loosely based on what is being discussed here. You shoe-horned something you've clearly really been wanting to say into a thread that has nothing to do with it. Good luck with your quest
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 16:35:52 GMT -6
I try to avoid using the phrase 'woke progressive agenda' almost all the time.
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Post by HashtagAce on Apr 15, 2021 18:12:12 GMT -6
I am afraid now the university has a national black eye, especially on the women's side due, to the Jane Doe mess coming out this week. WMC hit us twice - back when it happened and now with the continued fall out. I'm sure the publicity back then hurt us with whoever would be looking for this job and recruiting. They would remember that. The story being refreshed does this all over again. Know what else? Any student athlete, student manager, student trainer that he interacted with generated a bad experience that generated negative word of mouth that travelled far and wide back to their high schools and coach friends. Well was poisoned. Don't underestimate the negative publicity from the 'Save UE' components - even benign social media posts (Visit! Apply! Happy Friday) were flooded with negative comments. The social media talk someone would research if they are being recruited to play or to work would all be negative.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 20:01:14 GMT -6
To be fair, every program has its social media ugliness and the people who claim they got the crappy end of the pole are the ones who make damned sure we hear them. In the case of the women's program, it's hard to tell. I still believe the 4-star women's recruit isn't even going to open the email from Evansville. She knows when she's a sophomore where the offers are coming from. There was a girl in Valpo a few years back who could have been an all-conference player at most schools but she chose UConn and spent her entire college career as the 11th player on the bench. She didn't even attempt to explain why she did that.
I suspect most women who are looking for a place to play basketball are looking at a curriculum that suits their career agenda. It could be in coaching or physical education or banking or teaching. That isn't to say that women are less competitive. I just think they are more realistic about what a college degree should deliver -- and they don't see 4 or 5 years in the "G League" as a career move, since ... well, there ain't no G League.
I agree that a post-season team would be a nice addition to the offerings at UE. It won't move the needle on the men's program but it might be worth a positive conversation.
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Post by E-Villan on Apr 16, 2021 20:24:05 GMT -6
Hey, new to this thread. Didn't actually know there was a space to discuss the womens team. I wasn't sure if anyone had heard any names attached to this job. Love tyra and her rep as a great player, but I'm REALLY wary about hiring a coach in a pretty competitive conference AGAIN that has zero previous head coaching experience. I'm obviously all in for her being on the staff because she will be great for recruiting and personal skill development for the guards, just think maybe we want someone who can tackle a serious rebuild..like I said I have no inside info, but based on what I've seen,there's def a few names I think the admin should be looking at: Glenn Box [IU ast] Rhett Weirzba [IU ast] * Fahkara Malone [hc ocu] * Matt Bollant [EIU hc] * Rehka Patterson [SEMO hc] Cameryn Whitaker [hc NKU] J Pineda [Louisville ast] There's a ton more that i would consider but these are coaches I believe we could afford and appeal to that would do a decent job. The starred ones have ties to UE. Bollant is already stealing the best recruits from the area and convincing them to go to EIU, and he was formerly the head coach of the illini. Of course I think if you can convince good players [like Abby wahl from Heritage hills] to go the crap hole campus that is EIU imagine what he could do here. Either way we need to name SOMEONE so they can get started before the 21-22 season gets started, jeez lol Heavensville, welcome to the board. I have followed you on twitter, and assumed you were already here under a different name. I had put together a list in another thread, and had Bollant on it. He was an absolute rock star at both Bryan and Green Bay before going to Illinois. I would love to get a coach with his background, but I kind of feel we need a female this go around. I am not big on quota hires at all, but I think young women tend to feel more comfortable with female leaders. Obviously a staff can help in that regard, but for every Geno, we seem to have multiple women at the top of the profession. Now, with the McCarty mess kicking into high gear, I think it may be imperative. We need to convince every recruit and their parents that UE is indeed a safe place for them to play. It's going to take a lot of work to restore the reputation, and I just think in this case a female may be better suited for that task with a womens team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 7:15:03 GMT -6
Except for the dullard who wants to grind his FOX News axe, this has been a great discussion. Heavensvilleace really brought the bacon on this topic and I hope they will continue to build an interest in the Lady Aces. They have my support. If I hey can get to double digit win seasons there can be some recruiting momentum. I also like albo’s suggestion of reaching out locally for recruits looking for a great education and a chance to hoop it up.
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Post by austinace on Apr 17, 2021 8:50:29 GMT -6
Women's college basketball coaching changes for 2021-22Looks like 28 D1 women's basketball head coaching positions opened up recently and 17 (including Evansville's position) are still looking for the replacement. School: Out / In
Army: Dave Magarity / Missy Traversi Auburn: Terri Williams-Flournoy / Johnnie Harris Austin Peay: David Midlick / Brittany Young Boston University: Marisa Moseley / Dartmouth: Belle Koclanes / East Tennessee State: Brittney Ezell / Simon Harris Evansville: Matthew Ruffing /
George Mason: Nyla Milleson / George Washington: Jennifer Rizzotti / Caroline McCombs Indiana State: Vicki Hall / Kennesaw State: Agnus Berenato / Memphis: Melissa McFerrin / Katrina Merriweather Monmouth: Jody Craig / Montana: Mike Petrino* / North Dakota: ** / Mallory Bernhard Northeastern: Kelly Cole / Oklahoma: Sherri Coale / Purdue Fort Wayne: Niecee Nelson / Rice: Tina Langley / Sacramento State: Bunky Harkleroad / Siena: Ali Jaques / SMU: Travis Mays / Toyelle Wilson Stony Brook: Caroline McCombs / UTSA: Kristen Holt / Karen Aston Vanderbilt: Stephanie White / Washington: Jody Wynn / Tina Langley Wisconsin: Jonathan Tsipis / Marisa Moseley Wright State: Katrina Merriweather / *Petrino was interim coach in 2020-21 and is a candidate for the head-coaching job. **Bernhard was interim coach in 2020-21 and named head coach for next year. So it looks like we are at 34 D1 Women's basketball head coaching changes this offseason. Evansville is one of the 15 schools still looking for their new coach. (Note: Drake and Indiana State are two of the 15 still looking. So three are from the MVC.)
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Post by heavensvilleace on Apr 17, 2021 12:23:50 GMT -6
Hey, new to this thread. Didn't actually know there was a space to discuss the womens team. I wasn't sure if anyone had heard any names attached to this job. Love tyra and her rep as a great player, but I'm REALLY wary about hiring a coach in a pretty competitive conference AGAIN that has zero previous head coaching experience. I'm obviously all in for her being on the staff because she will be great for recruiting and personal skill development for the guards, just think maybe we want someone who can tackle a serious rebuild..like I said I have no inside info, but based on what I've seen,there's def a few names I think the admin should be looking at: Glenn Box [IU ast] Rhett Weirzba [IU ast] * Fahkara Malone [hc ocu] * Matt Bollant [EIU hc] * Rehka Patterson [SEMO hc] Cameryn Whitaker [hc NKU] J Pineda [Louisville ast] There's a ton more that i would consider but these are coaches I believe we could afford and appeal to that would do a decent job. The starred ones have ties to UE. Bollant is already stealing the best recruits from the area and convincing them to go to EIU, and he was formerly the head coach of the illini. Of course I think if you can convince good players [like Abby wahl from Heritage hills] to go the crap hole campus that is EIU imagine what he could do here. Either way we need to name SOMEONE so they can get started before the 21-22 season gets started, jeez lol Heavensville, welcome to the board. I have followed you on twitter, and assumed you were already here under a different name. I had put together a list in another thread, and had Bollant on it. He was an absolute rock star at both Bryan and Green Bay before going to Illinois. I would love to get a coach with his background, but I kind of feel we need a female this go around. I am not big on quota hires at all, but I think young women tend to feel more comfortable with female leaders. Obviously a staff can help in that regard, but for every Geno, we seem to have multiple women at the top of the profession. Now, with the McCarty mess kicking into high gear, I think it may be imperative. We need to convince every recruit and their parents that UE is indeed a safe place for them to play. It's going to take a lot of work to restore the reputation, and I just think in this case a female may be better suited for that task with a womens team. And you have to admit of course..what kind of response would we get if we hired another bald fellow named Matt? Haha honestly though with a decent coach and a couple of roster additions I really think we could have a solid team in a year or 2. The talent is there..Stephenson, feit, griffin, and newman all showed some serious promise at moments. I'd love to see us get to a point where we can do some double headers at the Ford center every season..those games would sell recruits on UE better than telling them every game will be played in the small gym on campus.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 9:22:25 GMT -6
I agree on the branding and selling the sizzle. That doesn't take a lot of creative ambition but if you tell the fans that the 1 millionth customer gets a free weekend at the Ramada, everyone will at least pay attention. But you have to first tell them that 998,290 people have already been here and you might be lucky if you are in the next 2,000 or so.
Playing doubleheaders? Great idea. Bring in IU and Notre Dame, have the Aces play Oakland City. They come for the fun and stay for the flavor.
But the thing is, you need to spend some time thinking about the people who live near your business. Getting 2,00 fans into the Ford to watch the Aces women -- you also drop off 20 tickets at every high school in the county and make it appealing for the players to get to the game.
Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ... that was great basketball, the kids say the next day. And it was at the FORD! Just think, they want me to play on the team next year! Imagine!
Instead, they are pissing around trying to find the next coach. I wonder, if you asked UE how it plans to promote the team, they will first show you a photo of the Olmstead building and tell you they have a great college in Harlaxton. Because, you know ... a girl from Orange County just can't wait to take advantage of THAT!
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Post by Aces&Eights on Apr 18, 2021 9:59:50 GMT -6
Double headers at both Roberts Stadium and the Ford Center were a real seating mess. Early arrivals for the men's game either had to stay in the concourse area until the stands emptied from the women's game, or if your seat was occupied sit elsewhere watching the women's game until the stands emptied. If the women's game went to OT then you had the additional late arrivals standing around to get seated.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 10:24:22 GMT -6
Double headers at both Roberts Stadium and the Ford Center were a real seating mess. Early arrivals for the men's game either had to stay in the concourse area until the stands emptied from the women's game, or if your seat was occupied sit elsewhere watching the women's game until the stands emptied. If the women's game went to OT then you had the additional late arrivals standing around to get seated. I never advocated for a men/women DH ... you schedule 2 women's games, sell one ticket for both. You can make anything complicated and after that, decide it's not worth the effort. The term "creative ambition" is still in play. The issue is not to sell anything but UE women's basketball, not try to sell it on the back of the men's program.
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