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Post by E-Villan on Nov 10, 2023 21:54:33 GMT -6
I think it's fair that the "idiots" come up with the speculation from things like tweets that state "there are factors I shouldn't talk about on X" on why he left UE and this tweet tonight. He's a beloved former player who the fans were ecstatic that he was back with the program. His abrupt departure and random smoke signals certainly warrant speculation from a fanbase that probably wants nothing more than him to still be a part of promoting the program in some fashion. If nothing else, I get the impression there are things he wants to say.
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Post by aceshigh on Nov 10, 2023 22:24:54 GMT -6
It’s really time to move on from Marcus. He has a life to live as do we (or at least most of us).
How can we not be happy with the coaches we have. Rags is the hometown connection we were looking for. Snow was one of the best to play at UE and if Rags should leave Snow should immediately be named our next HC. And what can I say about Jones. His history at Butler is impeccable. Then there’s Swanson. How can you miss him standing in all that tall timber the coaches recruited.
I don’t know much about the others but seeing DJ on the bench brings back great memories of all those games he wore the purple/white and orange. He has so much to teach our young athletes.
Our coaches have put together a very good team in such a short period of time and they are so much fun to watch. It’s hard to imagine how good they will be (including the new recruits) as time passes. And the best part is that they all have fun playing together as a team. College life will be something each will look back on with a gleam of joy in their eyes and a smile on their face.
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Post by evilleintentions on Nov 11, 2023 9:43:55 GMT -6
Why does he feel the need to discuss what ‘some idiot’ said. Seems to be thin skinned and incapable of taking the high road. Agreed, time to move on. I really don’t care what he has to say about UE anymore.
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Post by Incognito on Nov 11, 2023 9:52:28 GMT -6
It really is okay to say that Marcus was a great player and a class act and also say that he was not a fiery enough coach to resurrect the program. His bench demeaner was Lickliterish. I don't know how else to describe it.
Coach Ragland was empowered to improve the team. He made tough decisions to make room for a better roster. Those decisions seem to be bearing fruit. The coaching staff has also improved over last year.
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Post by Incognito on Nov 11, 2023 10:07:17 GMT -6
Why does he feel the need to discuss what ‘some idiot’ said. Seems to be thin skinned and incapable of taking the high road. Agreed, time to move on. I really don’t care what he has to say about UE anymore. Do you remember who that "some idiot was?" I'll quote you from this very thread. "Remember this? My intuition said at the time something was up. Marcus stopped tweeting anything Aces after Craig Snow got that promotion. Pretty sure he got his feelings hurt." The only question that remains is why he reads your comments.
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Post by ATP on Nov 11, 2023 11:03:01 GMT -6
I think the idea of moving on from this is useful, but it is also worth noting that at least 3 other instances in the past 4 years have impacted the UE image.
1. Obviously McCarty, who continued to bash the school and anybody else because of his behavior. What effect on recruiting or donors did that have? No way of knowing. 2. Dru Smith and the "BenFred" approach to blaming UE because they wouldn't cheat. I don't blame that on Dru Smith, but it was an ongoing bulls**t story. What effect did that have on recruiting or donors? No way of knowing. 3. Anything from Kenneth Roy and his mission to make sure that the Aces program did his "student" wrong. What effect on recruiting? No way of knowing.
Mostly this is just normal stuff that happens a lot of places. We don't care about it as a rule and honestly, it's childish and rude to keep dragging this crap out onto the floor so we can keep seeing if it's decomposing properly. Marcus Wilson should walk away from this and go on with his life. He's not making new friends and if anything, he might be having an effect on recruiting or donors.
Maybe UE deserves to be kicked around. Dunno ... there are those who are a tad bit perturbed that the roster was purged from a 5-27 season. New players replaced them and the team looks at least warm to the touch.
McCarty should have shut up and not taken his problems to Twitter. BenFred should have at least asked for clarity. Kenneth Roy should probably be barred from NCAA events.
Marcus Wilson has his jersey in the rafters.
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Post by Incognito on Nov 11, 2023 11:46:29 GMT -6
I think the idea of moving on from this is useful, but it is also worth noting that at least 3 other instances in the past 4 years have impacted the UE image. 1. Obviously McCarty, who continued to bash the school and anybody else because of his behavior. What effect on recruiting or donors did that have? No way of knowing. 2. Dru Smith and the "BenFred" approach to blaming UE because they wouldn't cheat. I don't blame that on Dru Smith, but it was an ongoing bulls**t story. What effect did that have on recruiting or donors? No way of knowing. 3. Anything from Kenneth Roy and his mission to make sure that the Aces program did his "student" wrong. What effect on recruiting? No way of knowing. Mostly this is just normal stuff that happens a lot of places. We don't care about it as a rule and honestly, it's childish and rude to keep dragging this crap out onto the floor so we can keep seeing if it's decomposing properly. Marcus Wilson should walk away from this and go on with his life. He's not making new friends and if anything, he might be having an effect on recruiting or donors. Maybe UE deserves to be kicked around. Dunno ... there are those who are a tad bit perturbed that the roster was purged from a 5-27 season. New players replaced them and the team looks at least warm to the touch. McCarty should have shut up and not taken his problems to Twitter. BenFred should have at least asked for clarity. Kenneth Roy should probably be barred from NCAA events. Marcus Wilson has his jersey in the rafters. All good points. I do wonder who Marcus is listening to. If he departed on cordial terms that had nothing to do with hurt feelings over Snow's promotion, he knows that Ragland knows that, as well, and wouldn't be the source of personally damaging misinformation. Obviously, Marcus doesn't suspect Snow is the source or he wouldn't be showering him with praise. Those are the only opinions that should matter to him. A classy guy wouldn't needlessly stir up the muck over something an anonymous knucklehead alleges on social media. THIS social media. C&P Aces articles shared through Facebook create zero responses. No one has anything to say about the Aces. It is here where crazy comes home to roost. But, sheesh, it's a somber fan board of armchair coaches fueled by mostly irrational hope. If Marcus is going to respond to snipes from a few old men with nothing else to de, he will need to hire an assistant. If Marcus wants to tamp down a story, responding to the "idiots" who spread the story and spreading it to those who would have never heard about otherwise is the absolute worst idea possible. Marcus is angry at the university and all signs point to it. He seems determined to get his pound of flesh through cryptic texts. He needs to be the "classy" guy we once knew.
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Post by acepurple84 on Nov 11, 2023 12:21:59 GMT -6
Your right Marcu. There are a whole bunch of idiots on here
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Post by schris on Nov 11, 2023 13:14:12 GMT -6
I am not familiar with the Dru Smith and the “BenFred” situation. Can someone explain what that is or where it started and who or what is BenFred?
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Post by evilleintentions on Nov 11, 2023 13:39:59 GMT -6
Why does he feel the need to discuss what ‘some idiot’ said. Seems to be thin skinned and incapable of taking the high road. Agreed, time to move on. I really don’t care what he has to say about UE anymore. Do you remember who that "some idiot was?" I'll quote you from this very thread. "Remember this? My intuition said at the time something was up. Marcus stopped tweeting anything Aces after Craig Snow got that promotion. Pretty sure he got his feelings hurt." The only question that remains is why he reads your comments. The question remains why he would read anyone’s comments in here. It’s a freaking message board. Like I said thin skinned.
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Post by E-Villan on Nov 11, 2023 13:40:24 GMT -6
I am not familiar with the Dru Smith and the “BenFred” situation. Can someone explain what that is or where it started and who or what is BenFred? Going off memory, someone feel free to correct any of this. BenFred is Ben Frederickson, a sportswriter for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. When Dru transferred to Mizzou after Marty got canned, Mizzou tried to get a waiver for immediate eligibility and not have to sit out a year. They wanted UE to sign a statement that Dru's scholarship was not being renewed by the new coaching staff, which of course was a blatant lie. In one of the few correct things Mark Spencer did, he told Mizzou to pound sand and refused to lie. BenFred as he affectionately calls himself, wrote some scathing articles and tweets toward UE and Spencer, in essence stating their bitterness and small mindness was doing nothing but punishing student athletes..while omitting the fact they were simply not willing to falsify anything or lie about the situation. This unleashed a social media attack by some of Mizzou's finest mouth-breathers towards Spencer and the program. To the NCAA's credit, they didn't grant the waiver.
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Post by schris on Nov 11, 2023 13:49:16 GMT -6
We’ve had some very unfortunate events take place here in the last couple of years. That’s why I appreciate this coaching staff and see some stability within it. With Marty we quickly realized that his time was coming to a close here when Blake finished out. Landed a huge hire in Walt and some big time recruits and got one big time win. Downhill from there. We’ve had good players in the past such as Ryan Taylor or Dru Smith but the immediately go elsewhere. And then this whole Marcus situation which in reality shouldn’t be an issue because it should’ve been settled behind closed doors, there is no reason why he should be tweeting the way he did in my opinion. Just seems like everything recently with basketball at UE has just come to harsh conclusions and hard roads ahead. Hopefully we can change the outlook of the program and start to earn our respect back. Clearly recruits and coaches are seeing the vision.
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Post by schris on Nov 11, 2023 13:54:25 GMT -6
We’ve had some very unfortunate events take place here in the last couple of years. That’s why I appreciate this coaching staff and see some stability within it. With Marty we quickly realized that his time was coming to a close here when Blake finished out. Landed a huge hire in Walt and some big time recruits and got one big time win. Downhill from there. We’ve had good players in the past such as Ryan Taylor or Dru Smith but the immediately go elsewhere. And then this whole Marcus situation which in reality shouldn’t be an issue because it should’ve been settled behind closed doors, there is no reason why he should be tweeting the way he did in my opinion. Just seems like everything recently with basketball at UE has just come to harsh conclusions and hard roads ahead. Hopefully we can change the outlook of the program and start to earn our respect back. Clearly recruits and coaches are seeing the vision. Also I hate to be that guy but who is Kenneth Roy? Did he have a son that visited here or played here?
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Post by evilleintentions on Nov 11, 2023 14:07:02 GMT -6
The infamous ‘MENTOR’ to DeAndre Williams.
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Post by E-Villan on Nov 11, 2023 14:08:37 GMT -6
We’ve had some very unfortunate events take place here in the last couple of years. That’s why I appreciate this coaching staff and see some stability within it. With Marty we quickly realized that his time was coming to a close here when Blake finished out. Landed a huge hire in Walt and some big time recruits and got one big time win. Downhill from there. We’ve had good players in the past such as Ryan Taylor or Dru Smith but the immediately go elsewhere. And then this whole Marcus situation which in reality shouldn’t be an issue because it should’ve been settled behind closed doors, there is no reason why he should be tweeting the way he did in my opinion. Just seems like everything recently with basketball at UE has just come to harsh conclusions and hard roads ahead. Hopefully we can change the outlook of the program and start to earn our respect back. Clearly recruits and coaches are seeing the vision. Also I hate to be that guy but who is Kenneth Roy? Did he have a son that visited here or played here? Kenneth Roy was the "advisor" for DeAndre Williams. Many of us refer to him as "Preacher Roy" because he is always running his mouth like a loud mouth one only looking for money. When McCarty got fired, Roy went on a tirade, demanding that he be reinstated immediately, whatever he did to those women be damned. Then, after he secured a transfer for DeAndre he proceeded to trash the program and admins on every microphone he could get in front of..actually publicly encouraged all of the remaining players to transfer as well. In short, he could be a picture for everything that is wrong with collegiate athletics.
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