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Post by kyace on Feb 17, 2020 17:38:41 GMT -6
I think knee injuries have taken a toll on him and restricts his playing time and mobility
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 18:37:17 GMT -6
It's hard for me to come down too hard on Hall. He's had some highlight moments, some pretty ordinary games. You notice that when nobody else is playing well. He isn't the player who is going to turn the game around. I just wish he was better with his back to the basket.
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Post by db1972 on Feb 17, 2020 18:38:04 GMT -6
I'll be really interested to see how Coach Lickliter handles the rotation if and when DeAndre comes back. On the one hand, you cannot take Kuhlman out of the lineup since he has been playing so well. But both he and DeAndre are too slow to reliably guard the 4, so how do you play both at the same time? You've got to assume that Kuhlman plays the 5 when DeAndre is in foul trouble, but that won't be much more than 15 minutes a game (hopefully). Hall is a much more natural fit defensively at the 4. And Kuhlman loses a LOT of his effectiveness on the offensive end if he's guarded by the opposing 4. His strength is his outside game, and I do not think he's well-suited to effectively play in the post, even if it's a mismatch in his favor. That being said, his offense would probably still be better than Hall's. I guess it depends if Lickliter wants to focus on defense or offense, and given his track record I would have to assume defense will take priority. If that's the case, I think we'll be seeing more Hall than Kuhlman over the last couple games this season.
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Post by Purp on Feb 17, 2020 19:03:56 GMT -6
I'll be really interested to see how Coach Lickliter handles the rotation if and when DeAndre comes back. On the one hand, you cannot take Kuhlman out of the lineup since he has been playing so well. But both he and DeAndre are too slow to reliably guard the 4, so how do you play both at the same time? You've got to assume that Kuhlman plays the 5 when DeAndre is in foul trouble, but that won't be much more than 15 minutes a game (hopefully). Hall is a much more natural fit defensively at the 4. And Kuhlman loses a LOT of his effectiveness on the offensive end if he's guarded by the opposing 4. His strength is his outside game, and I do not think he's well-suited to effectively play in the post, even if it's a mismatch in his favor. That being said, his offense would probably still be better than Hall's. I guess it depends if Lickliter wants to focus on defense or offense, and given his track record I would have to assume defense will take priority. If that's the case, I think we'll be seeing more Hall than Kuhlman over the last couple games this season. I have a feeling Lickliter loves Kuhlman. He's been a different player since Lick took over, and I think that has to come from a serious injection of confidence. I don't see his minutes dropping significantly.
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Post by ncace on Feb 17, 2020 22:03:06 GMT -6
Evan has a great attitude. He is making up for shortfall in mobility and innate talent by giving 100%, having grit and a “do what the team needs” mentality. Yes, John Hall was a COMPLETELY different player the first 20 games of last year. He was AVERAGING 9.5 rebounds a game and mixing it up inside. That is NOT his mentality now, and happens to be the area of play (rebounding) where we consistently lack a strong inside presence. Maybe someone knows that he has bad knees..ok, but even with bad knees, he is playing regularly and he’s CAPABLE of 6-7 boards per night. Instead, he is shooting something like 9-54 from 3:in MVC games and averages 3.5 rebounds.
Hall cannot carry the team, but if he just shows up and rebounds like pre-conf. ‘18-19, we would definitely be more balanced and competitive, as a team.
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Post by fmracesballer on Feb 18, 2020 9:18:10 GMT -6
He sat out when McCarty was suspended. I don’t see him coming back to play, will transfer after season. I see him laughing and joking around during timeouts, when the team is behind. My take from coach Lickliter comments is coach doesn’t think he is coming back to play either. Last week, Lickliter said “he’s moving around better, shooting around more, but I don’t know when he’ll play”. When I played for Crews, and we had several years of injuries, there was always a plan in place. Coach Crews would get daily updates from doctors and physical therapist (Pat Wempe) and the Head trainer, Terry Collins. Dr Saltzman, Wempe and TC would work together. UE continuing to say “I don’t know” isn’t the way, in my humble opinion. Programs shouldn’t be worried about hurting a players feelings, fearing he may transfer... that’s what bad programs do... here we are 0 and many. That’s not just Williams, others as well. This is just an example... Hall shouldn’t be shooting 3’s. Yet the coaches still let him, and it hurt the team again vs Drake. If the coaches say, no more 3s, will he transfer?? Just an observation.
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Post by evilleman on Feb 18, 2020 9:27:15 GMT -6
He sat out when McCarty was suspended. I don’t see him coming back to play, will transfer after season. I see him laughing and joking around during timeouts, when the team is behind. My take from coach Lickliter comments is coach doesn’t think he is coming back to play either. Last week, Lickliter said “he’s moving around better, shooting around more, but I don’t know when he’ll play”. When I played for Crews, and we had several years of injuries, there was always a plan in place. Coach Crews would get daily updates from doctors and physical therapist (Pat Wempe) and the Head trainer, Terry Collins. Dr Saltzman, Wempe and TC would work together. UE continuing to say “I don’t know” isn’t the way, in my humble opinion. Programs shouldn’t be worried about hurting a players feelings, fearing he may transfer... that’s what bad programs do... here we are 0 and many. That’s not just Williams, others as well. This is just an example... Hall shouldn’t be shooting 3’s. Yet the coaches still let him, and it hurt the team again vs Drake. If the coaches say, no more 3s, will he transfer?? Just an observation. I don't disagree with a lot of what you said. However, he did play 2 games after McCarty was suspended.
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Post by ncace on Feb 18, 2020 9:56:41 GMT -6
Maybe he will, and maybe not. Agree with former aces baller; teams have updates on key players. Our lack of communication is highly unusual. We can speculate on all the theories, but for my 2 cents, I think DeAndre will do informal NBA tryouts after the season is over, not hire an agent, and only come back if he isn't chosen for some kind of pro ball (NBA D league, Europe, etc.) If all those options fall through, he returns, but my guess is that a team, somewhere in the world will take him.
To that end, it is logical to believe that he MIGHT be ready to play now, but he's not going to risk a reinjury so he can be fully healthy for tryouts. The only slight possibility would be very limited minutes for the remaining regular season games, plus the first Arch Madness Thursday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 10:00:55 GMT -6
Life's a journey. Factors are weighed. Voices are heard. Decisions are made. I am not a savant like purplyorangieyguy. I don't know where DW's health and mind is. All I can say if pro scouts could find Murray Ky, they can easily book a flight to EVV. Maybe Sam's explained his journey. Regardless, if I had to choose between Coach Lickliter and any one player I'll take our coach, and let him pick the team.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 10:23:00 GMT -6
If you are a mid-major team with a slow history in a pretty good league, you look for a game-changer. When you get him, you probably stop looking since it's not likely you'll get another. So with DeAndre Williams, we all knew he had the skill to be a pretty good player, maybe a game changer -- but that was also supposed to be Cunliffe.
I still don't get it that people think this kid is sandbagging so he can get a pro contract. He isn't a Top 100 pro prospect. He is one of the best 10 players in the Valley when he's healthy and playing well. Good grief. If he leaves the program, you get somebody else. If he can't play because his back is hurt, why force him to play with a bad back? It's not like UE is going to magically win the A.M. trophy. Hint: They ain't gonna win it.
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Post by aceslfer on Feb 18, 2020 11:21:34 GMT -6
Shooti8ng 3s within the offensive scheme when open is required, If Hall needs to quit shooting 3s, then so does Evan, KJ, Noah and Sam, All are bunched within 4% of each other. Plain fact we are not a good shooting team, leave it at that. In fact Evan has passed up multiple open shots, faking then passing, he leads the conference in shot faking.....As for DW and his back injury, Ace baller is way out there, not sure why he is down on the healing process. There is film evidence of his injury, I guess he just doesn't want to believe his eyes. As for releasing to the public his medical condition, it requires DW's consent due to HIPAA.
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Post by purplestrong on Feb 18, 2020 13:11:46 GMT -6
Shooti8ng 3s within the offensive scheme when open is required, If Hall needs to quit shooting 3s, then so does Evan, KJ, Noah and Sam, All are bunched within 4% of each other. Plain fact we are not a good shooting team, leave it at that. In fact Evan has passed up multiple open shots, faking then passing, he leads the conference in shot faking.....As for DW and his back injury, Ace baller is way out there, not sure why he is down on the healing process. There is film evidence of his injury, I guess he just doesn't want to believe his eyes. As for releasing to the public his medical condition, it requires DW's consent due to HIPAA. I agree about the HIPAA comment. I disagree on Kuhlman shot faking. The shot fake keeps the defense off balance and creates opportunities. More Aces should use a shot fake. Simmons and Casebier as players used it to great effect. The problem when McCarty was here was Kuhlman was unwillingly to shoot for whatever reason after a shot fake. He’s corrected that. I’d much rather see him shoot 3s than Hall or Frederking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 13:50:41 GMT -6
Good grief. If he leaves the program, you get somebody else. It's not like UE is going to magically win the A.M. trophy. Hint: They ain't gonna win it. Thank you. Sir Whiskers wasn't sure what happens when a player moves on. "You get somebody else." Check. Sir Whiskers was sure that magic can win trophies. Ye say nay. Check. Sir Whiskers is reminded of old JohnU who once said, "It isn't like UE is going to magically beat UK. Hint: They ain't gonna win it." Sir Whiskers sure misses Cocksure JohnU. Hint: The chances of UE winning Arch Madness with DeAndre are nowhere near 100% but it ain't 0%, either. To be fair, the finger-wagging cocksure declarations/guesses of purpleorangeguy, albothepurple and others contribute to the entertainment value of this forum. Long live their finger-wagging.
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Post by mybigpurplebrain on Feb 18, 2020 14:17:03 GMT -6
Was said during the last game in which it was the first he traveled with the team and participated in the morning shoot around, was that he was just CLEARED for physical contact. So, I guess my question is, would that not be the normal progression coming off an injury ?
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Post by youngacesfan on Feb 18, 2020 14:20:12 GMT -6
If you are a mid-major team with a slow history in a pretty good league, you look for a game-changer. When you get him, you probably stop looking since it's not likely you'll get another. So with DeAndre Williams, we all knew he had the skill to be a pretty good player, maybe a game changer -- but that was also supposed to be Cunliffe. I still don't get it that people think this kid is sandbagging so he can get a pro contract. He isn't a Top 100 pro prospect. He is one of the best 10 players in the Valley when he's healthy and playing well. Good grief. If he leaves the program, you get somebody else. If he can't play because his back is hurt, why force him to play with a bad back? It's not like UE is going to magically win the A.M. trophy. Hint: They ain't gonna win it. You are disrespecting deandre. To say he's just a top 10 player in the league is ridiculous, he's the best or 2nd best and very well could be a top 100 prospect
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