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Post by coachd88 on Jan 15, 2020 21:01:29 GMT -6
Okie...at what cost to the program? Not just now but in the future. The light you mention shouldn't mean win at all costs. Have feeling we are all about to see exactly what that means. Win at all cost? Who said that? A technical foul will tarnish UE's reputation for eternity? PS: If McCarty gets reinstated it's because the investigation found no cause to let him go. Not something that has to be directly said, but implied as being acceptable. Will simply stick to my previous statement and leave it at that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:13:52 GMT -6
Some of you on here are absolutely clueless. All you guys do is complain about the staff. Seltzer is not the problem. All of you complained about Marty when he and his staff developed players better than any team in the country... He shouldn’t have kept the old motion offense, but he was a pretty darn good coach who competed with less talent/resources. This is an example of being positive about someone if anyone was wondering lol. Hear me out...How about we put some blame on the players for once. What happened to Riley, Hall, Frederking, etc? Talent is not lost overnight... which brings me to my next point, this current roster even with everyone healthy and a head coach in place does not finish above 7th/8th in the conference. That is just reality. Face it. MVC is full of great coaches, gritty teams, actual post players, and so on. I want this team to be successful, but it takes a group of talented, yet hard-working and mentally tough kids. Let’s be honest, anyone can be beat anyone. Basketball takes heart, and fighting through adversity in order to succeed. “Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn’t work!” This is just a bad post. Marty was an awful coach, his record (especially taking out non-d1 wins) speaks for itself. And some of us are putting blame on the players but they aren't being put in spots to win or compete. Kuhlman and frederking aren't d1 players, that's on coaches for giving them a spot on a team that they don't belong on. KJ is playing the point when he should be slashing, that's on coaching. Sam being handcuffed on the bench... well that's obviously on coaching. Sorry but bennie is just awful and nobody enjoys him being head coach Lol, I can’t tell if you guys are drunk or just simply unintelligent. My post had nothing to do with Marty. That was just a reference. It had to do with not blaming everything on coaching. You certainly bring up some decent points buddy (coaching could certainly be better) but this isn’t an utopian society where everything is idealized. We live in an ungrateful/unthankful society and bashing another point of view is just rude. I am as competitive as anyone, but I care much more about us running a clean program, kids having successful lives after college,etc.
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Post by youngacesfan on Jan 15, 2020 21:18:56 GMT -6
This is just a bad post. Marty was an awful coach, his record (especially taking out non-d1 wins) speaks for itself. And some of us are putting blame on the players but they aren't being put in spots to win or compete. Kuhlman and frederking aren't d1 players, that's on coaches for giving them a spot on a team that they don't belong on. KJ is playing the point when he should be slashing, that's on coaching. Sam being handcuffed on the bench... well that's obviously on coaching. Sorry but bennie is just awful and nobody enjoys him being head coach Lol, I can’t tell if you guys are drunk or just simply unintelligent. My post had nothing to do with Marty. That was just a reference. It had to do with not blaming everything on coaching. You certainly bring up some decent points buddy (coaching could certainly be better) but this isn’t an utopian society where everything is idealized. We live in an ungrateful/unthankful society and bashing another point of view is just rude. I am as competitive as anyone, but I care much more about us running a clean program, kids having successful lives after college,etc. You were propping up Marty in your post, so whether was about him or not, I'm going to refutes your points on him. My reply was not meant to be rude, but in times like these we have to call things for what they are and all I said was your post was bad. You're the one saying some of us are drunk/unintelligent
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Post by acepurple84 on Jan 15, 2020 21:23:14 GMT -6
Usually a coach will stand up for his team when they have been fouled by the other team and no calls are made. This has been happening to Sam a lot lately and thre interim coach is not to be found. I saw several instances where Sam was grabbed or hit across his arms. That happens and I saw Sam at a TO mention something to a Ref and demonstrate a hack on his arm. This doesn’t excuse Sam for getting the T as he probably earned it but it should have been avoided. The team is playing without direction since the McCarty incident, and they may be losing discipline (Sam). I don’t know what DeAndre’s injury is but he could be lost for the season. If that’s the case, we may have already seen the last win for the Aces this year. Without DeAndre we are a donut and teams don’t win with a hole in the middle. I look at what happened after the T and Sam is pulled. The team deflated almost immediately. They were only down by 5 when it happened and the lead jumped to 15 quickly. I feel the players feel like they don't have the backing of the coach. He should have been in the Ref's face. And what is wrong with DeAndre and the back. Did he get hurt in practice or in a game. No one has said.
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Post by okie on Jan 15, 2020 21:25:21 GMT -6
This is just a bad post. Marty was an awful coach, his record (especially taking out non-d1 wins) speaks for itself. And some of us are putting blame on the players but they aren't being put in spots to win or compete. Kuhlman and frederking aren't d1 players, that's on coaches for giving them a spot on a team that they don't belong on. KJ is playing the point when he should be slashing, that's on coaching. Sam being handcuffed on the bench... well that's obviously on coaching. Sorry but bennie is just awful and nobody enjoys him being head coach Lol, I can’t tell if you guys are drunk or just simply unintelligent. My post had nothing to do with Marty. That was just a reference. It had to do with not blaming everything on coaching. You certainly bring up some decent points buddy (coaching could certainly be better) but this isn’t an utopian society where everything is idealized. We live in an ungrateful/unthankful society and bashing another point of view is just rude. I am as competitive as anyone, but I care much more about us running a clean program, kids having successful lives after college,etc. tbehrend said: "Wow, okie. You’re just slightly ignorant 😂 unbelievable." tbehrend also said: "We live in an ungrateful/unthankful society and bashing another point of view is just rude."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:37:17 GMT -6
Lol, I can’t tell if you guys are drunk or just simply unintelligent. My post had nothing to do with Marty. That was just a reference. It had to do with not blaming everything on coaching. You certainly bring up some decent points buddy (coaching could certainly be better) but this isn’t an utopian society where everything is idealized. We live in an ungrateful/unthankful society and bashing another point of view is just rude. I am as competitive as anyone, but I care much more about us running a clean program, kids having successful lives after college,etc. You were propping up Marty in your post, so whether was about him or not, I'm going to refutes your points on him. My reply was not meant to be rude, but in times like these we have to call things for what they are and all I said was your post was bad. You're the one saying some of us are drunk/unintelligent Fair enough. Sorry for saying that. So much blame falls on coaching these days, that’s why I mentioned Marty. He deserved to be fired since he was inapprochable, lacked recruiting talent. However, he seemed to be well-liked by the players, had decent defensive plans... Do you see what I am getting at? There are positives and negatives that can be applied to any thing, person, situation. I just get tired of everyone putting blame on a coach (Bennie) who didn’t ask to be in this situation. I believe his mother died the exact same day that the Walter news came out. And referring back to the players, all I’m asking for is a little bit of accountability. I don’t agree with Sam not playing at all in the second half, but if he wants to play pro, he needs to control his emotions. For all the other players, they have to adapt and accept their roles. As a reminder, this is the same team that beat Kentucky, Ball State, and Murray St. So, you can’t exactly say that the players are not being put in spots to compete. Walter put in some offensive schemes that clearly work. We’ve seen them compete. It’s time for them to show some heart and least win a few conference games.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:40:56 GMT -6
Lol, I can’t tell if you guys are drunk or just simply unintelligent. My post had nothing to do with Marty. That was just a reference. It had to do with not blaming everything on coaching. You certainly bring up some decent points buddy (coaching could certainly be better) but this isn’t an utopian society where everything is idealized. We live in an ungrateful/unthankful society and bashing another point of view is just rude. I am as competitive as anyone, but I care much more about us running a clean program, kids having successful lives after college,etc. tbehrend said: "Wow, okie. You’re just slightly ignorant 😂 unbelievable." tbehrend also said: "We live in an ungrateful/unthankful society and bashing another point of view is just rude." 😂 You exposed me! DELETED BY MOD
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Post by youngacesfan on Jan 15, 2020 21:43:43 GMT -6
You were propping up Marty in your post, so whether was about him or not, I'm going to refutes your points on him. My reply was not meant to be rude, but in times like these we have to call things for what they are and all I said was your post was bad. You're the one saying some of us are drunk/unintelligent Fair enough. Sorry for saying that. So much blame falls on coaching these days, that’s why I mentioned Marty. He deserved to be fired since he was inapprochable, lacked recruiting talent. However, he seemed to be well-liked by the players, had decent defensive plans... Do you see what I am getting at? There are positives and negatives that can be applied to any thing, person, situation. I just get tired of everyone putting blame on a coach (Bennie) who didn’t ask to be in this situation. I believe his mother died the exact same day that the Walter news came out. And referring back to the players, all I’m asking for is a little bit of accountability. I don’t agree with Sam not playing at all in the second half, but if he wants to play pro, he needs to control his emotions. For all the other players, they have to adapt and accept their roles. As a reminder, this is the same team that beat Kentucky, Ball State, and Murray St. So, you can’t exactly say that the players are not being put in spots to compete. Walter put in some offensive schemes that clearly work. We’ve seen them compete. It’s time for them to show some heart and least win a few conference games. I can agree with this. I do feel bad for Bennie he took over during a rough period, but at the same time he hasn't done a good job. I think we're all ready for Walter to come back
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 21:47:09 GMT -6
Fair enough. Sorry for saying that. So much blame falls on coaching these days, that’s why I mentioned Marty. He deserved to be fired since he was inapprochable, lacked recruiting talent. However, he seemed to be well-liked by the players, had decent defensive plans... Do you see what I am getting at? There are positives and negatives that can be applied to any thing, person, situation. I just get tired of everyone putting blame on a coach (Bennie) who didn’t ask to be in this situation. I believe his mother died the exact same day that the Walter news came out. And referring back to the players, all I’m asking for is a little bit of accountability. I don’t agree with Sam not playing at all in the second half, but if he wants to play pro, he needs to control his emotions. For all the other players, they have to adapt and accept their roles. As a reminder, this is the same team that beat Kentucky, Ball State, and Murray St. So, you can’t exactly say that the players are not being put in spots to compete. Walter put in some offensive schemes that clearly work. We’ve seen them compete. It’s time for them to show some heart and least win a few conference games. I can agree with this. I do feel bad for Bennie he took over during a rough period, but at the same time he hasn't done a good job. I think we're all ready for Walter to come back Yep. Only if proven “somewhat” innocent. I find it hard to believe there wouldn’t be at least a suspension, but who knows!?
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Post by E-Villan on Jan 15, 2020 21:56:08 GMT -6
A solid rule of thumb when engaged in a persuasive discussion is to not start out by insulting the other parties. Your message immediately gets lost as the other parties are now in a defense mode to address the insult. In other words, everyone just tunes out.
You can consider this an instructional lesson, or a warning...but either way, lighten up with the insults.
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Post by mybigpurplebrain on Jan 15, 2020 22:08:28 GMT -6
Usually a coach will stand up for his team when they have been fouled by the other team and no calls are made. This has been happening to Sam a lot lately and thre interim coach is not to be found. I saw several instances where Sam was grabbed or hit across his arms. That happens and I saw Sam at a TO mention something to a Ref and demonstrate a hack on his arm. This doesn’t excuse Sam for getting the T as he probably earned it but it should have been avoided. The team is playing without direction since the McCarty incident, and they may be losing discipline (Sam). I don’t know what DeAndre’s injury is but he could be lost for the season. If that’s the case, we may have already seen the last win for the Aces this year. Without DeAndre we are a donut and teams don’t win with a hole in the middle. I look at what happened after the T and Sam is pulled. The team deflated almost immediately. They were only down by 5 when it happened and the lead jumped to 15 quickly. I feel the players feel like they don't have the backing of the coach. He should have been in the Ref's face. And what is wrong with DeAndre and the back. Did he get hurt in practice or in a game. No one has said. Selzer said on the coaches show DW had taken a beating in the 2 games before he went down and attributed it to that. It was near the end of show.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2020 22:13:07 GMT -6
A solid rule of thumb when engaged in a persuasive discussion is to not start out by insulting the other parties. Your message immediately gets lost as the other parties are now in a defense mode to address the insult. In other words, everyone just tunes out. You can consider this an instructional lesson, or a warning...but either way, lighten up with the insults. Fair enough boss. It’s a good thing I’m studying engineering, and not law 😬 Apologies. I’m just a bit feisty. I have little patience for people who are clearly biased/negative. However, I am guilty of having those traits every once in a while as well unfortunately :/ Nevertheless, I was just trying to bring out reasonable discourse. Go Aces!
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Post by E-Villan on Jan 15, 2020 22:28:20 GMT -6
A solid rule of thumb when engaged in a persuasive discussion is to not start out by insulting the other parties. Your message immediately gets lost as the other parties are now in a defense mode to address the insult. In other words, everyone just tunes out. You can consider this an instructional lesson, or a warning...but either way, lighten up with the insults. Fair enough boss. It’s a good thing I’m studying engineering, and not law 😬 Apologies. I’m just a bit feisty. I have little patience for people who are clearly biased/negative. However, I am guilty of having those traits every once in a while as well unfortunately :/ Nevertheless, I was just trying to bring out reasonable discourse. Go Aces! Fiesty is good. I think for the time being, all Aces fans should get a pass for being on the negative side. Keep bringing out the reasonable discourse. Debate and discourse is what this board is about. Just remember we are all Aces fans.
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Post by Tom Servo on Jan 15, 2020 22:44:23 GMT -6
I'm trying to stay somewhat positive but guys it's pretty tough right now. I can't really recall a time that UE has performed this poorly for 3 games in a row like this. We are just lost - completely lost.
The positives I can say is I liked the effort of Newton. I thought Givance played hard but part of the problem is he is kicking the ball out to an open guy but there are no shooters to make the shots. There are some open opportunities but when you have a team full of people who cannot make shots I don't really know of any offense that is going to work. All year really our shooting has been poor. Without Williams we don't have a prayer. I did think Frederking played hard - but he just has to shoot better which at this point I don't think that's ever going to happen.
Now, I couldn't be more disappointed with Riley and Hall. I'm honestly just sick of it. There was a play in the 1st half where an ISU player knocked the ball from Riley and he just lazily want after it which the ISU player sprinted for it and almost was able to overtake him and steal it. That's basically sums up him in my mind. Hall missed two point blank layups and was abused by the ISU players. This one of the many reasons why Givance is really the only option at the point - Riley just can't do it and there really isn't anyone else.
I said earlier that I wasn't impressed with Seltzer. It's not all his fault by any means but he certainly isn't setting the world on fire with his coaching (and that's putting it nicely).
I'll be there cheering for them Saturday but, man, this is so disheartening.
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Post by E-Villan on Jan 15, 2020 22:59:40 GMT -6
I'm with you Tom, it is real hard to have anything positive to say.
A few points.
Take out the UK game.
We beat Ball State, who smashed Indiana State.
We played a decent SMU team to a basket.
We beat Miami fairly easily, who smashed Bradley.
We beat Murray State, who pushed Missouri State into OT in Springfield.
Now, a few other points.
After last year, we lost just Marty Hill, but added Art, Sam and DeAndre. Even without DeAndre, Sam and Art should at least be a wash compared to Marty. Everyone else is back. Last year, we were at least competitive in many conference games. This year, only one so far.
We all know what the one difference is from the non-con this year, and from last year. The players are simply lost with this. As I said before, I am not throwing all of this on Seltzer. He is a substitute teacher, who has no respect from the students. It is clear after tonight that they don't respect him, and he is unable to get any traction there. OK, I mean it this time....whoosh, another spitball just flew by. His frustration with the team is growing, as is their frustration with him. There is no way he can stay and this resolve itself.
Either McCarty comes back, or we just need to blow the whole thing up and start from scratch.
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