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Post by wildbill on Feb 4, 2024 21:36:00 GMT -6
I heard from a good source ISU is attempting to raise $300,000.00 additional donation dollars for next year's mens team.
Maybe Marcus is right - UE is going to have to find a lot of money.
Hopefully, the ISU information hasn't already been posted.
If this post is old news, please move it.to the appropriate thread.
Thanks.
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Post by sycamorefan96 on Feb 5, 2024 6:57:11 GMT -6
Might be the goal, but I doubt ISU hits it, unless we have some big donor that's going to pay the difference. I'll buy tickets, but I'm certainly not giving any money towards NIL.
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Post by evilleintentions on Feb 5, 2024 7:54:08 GMT -6
NIL is a joke. We place way too much value on sports in this country. You get a free education, free meals, etc. etc. How about we raise money for people who save lives and protect the country, like our selfless military personnel. Seems to me, as a country we really have our priorities screwed up. As for Marcus, who cares what he thinks? He showed his stripes these past 12 months. I care not what he says or thinks.
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Post by wildbill on Feb 5, 2024 9:37:24 GMT -6
Might be the goal, but I doubt ISU hits it, unless we have some big donor that's going to pay the difference. I'll buy tickets, but I'm certainly not giving any money towards NIL. I heard they're in talks with the Gibson's. They have mega dollars and have always been supportive of ISU.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Feb 5, 2024 14:30:46 GMT -6
NIL is a joke. We place way too much value on sports in this country. You get a free education, free meals, etc. etc. How about we raise money for people who save lives and protect the country, like our selfless military personnel. Seems to me, as a country we really have our priorities screwed up. As for Marcus, who cares what he thinks? He showed his stripes these past 12 months. I care not what he says or thinks. You should write your local politician about your concerns for the troops. Not sure how that correlates to college athletes finally getting paid after years of generating billions for universities for free. Not sure what Marcus has to do with any of this either since the post was about ISU NIL, but Marcus was absolutely right in his last interview about how we need to get with the times and get competitive with NIL or we will be redoing our roster every year. Even if Schertz leaves, the next guy in Terra haute will likely be able to build a great roster with that kinda resources. Someone jokingly said in another thread that “we could buy ourselves a Humrichous if 1,000 of us are willing to donate $150”. It’s a funny way of putting it, but if we actually had some sort of organized attempt at crowd sourcing NIL money, I would think we could at least raise a somewhat competitive amount. I would be willing to donate $100-150 if I thought it was actually going to help us bring in and retain talent and I’m sure there’s a decent amount of other fans that would be willing if they thought it was helping us win. There’s 4,000+ people at most home games, surely there’s 1,000 that would be willing to make a contribution once a year to improve our chances of winning significantly. Maybe I’m the minority in thinking that, but it would be nice to see us get with the times and at least make some sort of effort to raise some funds whether from big donors, local businesses, or crowd sourced from the average fan. If we don’t want to embrace the NIL era, we might as well drop to D2/3 where it isn’t a factor in recruiting. Otherwise, we’re just going to be in the cellar of the MVC until our mentality on it changes.
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Post by 65pointgame on Feb 5, 2024 14:50:56 GMT -6
Maybe I am being a bit idealistic and think that a money a player earns is actually from NIL deals, not by crowdsourcing from the average Joe as a "paid to play" athlete.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Feb 5, 2024 15:09:48 GMT -6
Maybe I am being a bit idealistic and think that a money a player earns is actually from NIL deals, not by crowdsourcing from the average Joe as a "paid to play" athlete. Sadly I think that is idealistic in this day and age in my opinion. Ben’s actual marketing value isn’t anywhere close to his “pay to play” value unless he is playing for a program that’s on national TV and has much larger fan base/brand recognition. If we’re going to play the actual marketing value game, we will never ever compete with the big schools (not that we really can right now), but it would definitely be more valuable to be the 8th man in the rotation at IU than it would be to be our best player. I would like to think we could compete in the “pay to play” realm to keep our best player from going and being a role player at a P6, but maybe even that’s naive. I guess we’ll find out a lot more this offseason, and I suspect some on here will either drastically change their tune on NIL or will declare they’re done with college sports forever if a lot of our talent leaves.
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Post by paradeuce on Feb 5, 2024 15:28:40 GMT -6
Look at today's CBS Top 25 for a projection of NIL's current impact...
I personally feel that great coaching personalities/X's & O's geniuses will still surface, if the starz are aligned. The Syc's HC is one testament.
I think Ragland's adj to HC has taken longer than expected, but as most have highlighted, he seems to be on the right track.
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Post by goacesgo on Feb 5, 2024 16:22:33 GMT -6
Look at today's CBS Top 25 for a projection of NIL's current impact...
I personally feel that great coaching personalities/X's & O's geniuses will still surface, if the starz are aligned. The Syc's HC is one testament.
I think Ragland's adj to HC has taken longer than expected, but as most have highlighted, he seems to be on the right track.
I disagree with it taking Rags longer than expected, idk what you expected and say what you want Rags, but he has maintained the same positive attitude from Day 1. Do you you not realize he took over a program that basically couldn’t even find recruits to fill scholarships.
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Post by evilleintentions on Feb 5, 2024 17:25:31 GMT -6
NIL is a joke. We place way too much value on sports in this country. You get a free education, free meals, etc. etc. How about we raise money for people who save lives and protect the country, like our selfless military personnel. Seems to me, as a country we really have our priorities screwed up. As for Marcus, who cares what he thinks? He showed his stripes these past 12 months. I care not what he says or thinks. You should write your local politician about your concerns for the troops. Not sure how that correlates to college athletes finally getting paid after years of generating billions for universities for free. Not sure what Marcus has to do with any of this either since the post was about ISU NIL, but Marcus was absolutely right in his last interview about how we need to get with the times and get competitive with NIL or we will be redoing our roster every year. Even if Schertz leaves, the next guy in Terra haute will likely be able to build a great roster with that kinda resources. Someone jokingly said in another thread that “we could buy ourselves a Humrichous if 1,000 of us are willing to donate $150”. It’s a funny way of putting it, but if we actually had some sort of organized attempt at crowd sourcing NIL money, I would think we could at least raise a somewhat competitive amount. I would be willing to donate $100-150 if I thought it was actually going to help us bring in and retain talent and I’m sure there’s a decent amount of other fans that would be willing if they thought it was helping us win. There’s 4,000+ people at most home games, surely there’s 1,000 that would be willing to make a contribution once a year to improve our chances of winning significantly. Maybe I’m the minority in thinking that, but it would be nice to see us get with the times and at least make some sort of effort to raise some funds whether from big donors, local businesses, or crowd sourced from the average fan. If we don’t want to embrace the NIL era, we might as well drop to D2/3 where it isn’t a factor in recruiting. Otherwise, we’re just going to be in the cellar of the MVC until our mentality on it changes. Just making a point that from a big picture point of view, we have our priorities screwed up. If I’m going to spend my hard earned money on something, it sure as hell won’t be woke college kids. I’m an old soul and I’m old school. I’ll admit it. Just because we are living in different times, doesn’t make it right. UE will never ever be able to compete financially in an NIL world. Focus on bringing in the right kind of kids and they can still compete. Ask IU and Michigan basketball if they are getting a bang for their buck spending millions on overrated players. The team concept still matters. It mattered during the Crews era and it matters now. I can’t stand the ‘I’m gonna get mine’ mentality. In addition, Men’s basketball and football fund most athletic programs and help pay for the non revenue producing sports. Over time these kids in other sports are going to suffer. LSU women’s basketball for example, even as a national champion, lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Many donors are now making decisions, do I send my money to a kid who stays here for two years or do I send it to the university. Eventually that’s going to hurt the school and it’s other programs. Everything in life has a cost benefit analysis. In my opinion, throwing money at kids is the wrong approach. On another note, slow down there Tonto. I was just expressing some random thoughts. Food for thought.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Feb 5, 2024 18:20:23 GMT -6
You should write your local politician about your concerns for the troops. Not sure how that correlates to college athletes finally getting paid after years of generating billions for universities for free. Not sure what Marcus has to do with any of this either since the post was about ISU NIL, but Marcus was absolutely right in his last interview about how we need to get with the times and get competitive with NIL or we will be redoing our roster every year. Even if Schertz leaves, the next guy in Terra haute will likely be able to build a great roster with that kinda resources. Someone jokingly said in another thread that “we could buy ourselves a Humrichous if 1,000 of us are willing to donate $150”. It’s a funny way of putting it, but if we actually had some sort of organized attempt at crowd sourcing NIL money, I would think we could at least raise a somewhat competitive amount. I would be willing to donate $100-150 if I thought it was actually going to help us bring in and retain talent and I’m sure there’s a decent amount of other fans that would be willing if they thought it was helping us win. There’s 4,000+ people at most home games, surely there’s 1,000 that would be willing to make a contribution once a year to improve our chances of winning significantly. Maybe I’m the minority in thinking that, but it would be nice to see us get with the times and at least make some sort of effort to raise some funds whether from big donors, local businesses, or crowd sourced from the average fan. If we don’t want to embrace the NIL era, we might as well drop to D2/3 where it isn’t a factor in recruiting. Otherwise, we’re just going to be in the cellar of the MVC until our mentality on it changes. Just making a point that from a big picture point of view, we have our priorities screwed up. If I’m going to spend my hard earned money on something, it sure as hell won’t be woke college kids. I’m an old soul and I’m old school. I’ll admit it. Just because we are living in different times, doesn’t make it right. UE will never ever be able to compete financially in an NIL world. Focus on bringing in the right kind of kids and they can still compete. Ask IU and Michigan basketball if they are getting a bang for their buck spending millions on overrated players. The team concept still matters. It mattered during the Crews era and it matters now. I can’t stand the ‘I’m gonna get mine’ mentality. In addition, Men’s basketball and football fund most athletic programs and help pay for the non revenue producing sports. Over time these kids in other sports are going to suffer. LSU women’s basketball for example, even as a national champion, lost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Many donors are now making decisions, do I send my money to a kid who stays here for two years or do I send it to the university. Eventually that’s going to hurt the school and it’s other programs. Everything in life has a cost benefit analysis. In my opinion, throwing money at kids is the wrong approach. On another note, slow down there Tonto. I was just expressing some random thoughts. Food for thought. Like I’ve said before, it’s not about competing with the IUs of the world but trying to compete with ISU, Bradley, and Drake. They’re not spending millions on their kids, but like Daddysboy has said before word gets around amongst college athletes and when you’re getting nothing but someone of your caliber at Bradley is getting $10,000-20,000, a college kid is naturally going to wonder what they could get at a different program, and if we’re truly offering NOTHING, then that is totally unacceptable in todays basketball landscape and no amount of “right kind of guys” are going to overcome that. Ben Humrichous came from an NAIA school and from what I can tell, he is as high character and team oriented of a player as you could ask for. We’re not going to find a Ben Humrichous every offseason, and if we can’t hang onto him, it pretty well kills the “you can still win with the right kind of guys” theory in my opinion. If we were to lose guys like Cuff or Hughes that probably have much lower NIL values, then it would completely kill that theory. All those guys are great teammates and team first guys and I don’t think exploring your NIL value in the transfer portal at the seasons end changes that about them at all. It does make it much harder to build on the team concept like Crews did though if you’re rebuilding because you’re talented players left to get a minor pay day somewhere else. If someone’s getting offered 6 figures, we’re going to struggle to match that, but there is no reason our quality players should be getting NOTHING and if that’s truly the case it’s going to become next to impossible to build any kind of long term success in my opinion. Sorry to get so argumentative in the last post. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just have strong feelings about NIL and how we’re going to be left behind if our fan base continues to not want to embrace it, but since no one from UE seems to be concerned about raising money for it through the common fan, I guess it doesn’t really matter what any of the common fans opinion is. I just hope we are able to retain our talent this offseason. Like I said, I don’t think we’ve really got any “me first” kinda guys on the team, and if they leave, it should be a wake up call to everyone on what it’s going to take to compete at this level in the new college sports landscape.
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Post by paradeuce on Feb 5, 2024 19:01:34 GMT -6
Look at today's CBS Top 25 for a projection of NIL's current impact...
I personally feel that great coaching personalities/X's & O's geniuses will still surface, if the starz are aligned. The Syc's HC is one testament.
I think Ragland's adj to HC has taken longer than expected, but as most have highlighted, he seems to be on the right track.
I disagree with it taking Rags longer than expected, idk what you expected and say what you want Rags, but he has maintained the same positive attitude from Day 1. Do you you not realize he took over a program that basically couldn’t even find recruits to fill scholarships. I disagree...How many Div I HC jobs has Ragland held pre-UE? His early season decisionmaking was sketchy at best, due primarily to his ROLE CHANGE. He's outgrowing this ever so slowly...
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Post by goacesgo on Feb 5, 2024 20:18:06 GMT -6
I disagree with it taking Rags longer than expected, idk what you expected and say what you want Rags, but he has maintained the same positive attitude from Day 1. Do you you not realize he took over a program that basically couldn’t even find recruits to fill scholarships. I disagree...How many Div I HC jobs has Ragland held pre-UE? His early season decisionmaking was sketchy at best, due primarily to his ROLE CHANGE. He's outgrowing this ever so slowly... Your talking about year 1 or year 2? If you are referring to year 1, give me a break it was first year with little talent, if you are talking about this year, it was the best start in years. So I guess you thought he would adjust so quickly and so well they would have won several games last year? I just don’t buy that statement, in fact i will say this if we could somehow finish 500 or better this year he has surpassed my expectations.
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Post by aces44 on Feb 5, 2024 21:02:32 GMT -6
University’s are about to find out that you can’t Crowd Fund a Professional Sports Team
Buckle up, it’s about to get weird
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Post by 65pointgame on Feb 5, 2024 22:34:08 GMT -6
EvansvilleIntentions wrote --
"Many donors are now making decisions, do I send my money to a kid who stays here for two years or do I send it to the university. Eventually that’s going to hurt the school and it’s other programs. Everything in life has a cost benefit analysis. In my opinion, throwing money at kids is the wrong approach." ------------------
I tend to agree on this point and believe the best approach is trying to present these kids as valuable marketing assets to local businesses. On the other hand, AcesLoverLarry validly points out that we are not looking to compete with 6 figure offers from P5 schools, but 10-20k offers from mid-majors -- and seemingly a car lease also. How we get there is the big question.
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