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Post by stlscooter on Feb 6, 2024 9:11:34 GMT -6
Look at the $ going to IU and UK. The fans of both teams are upset, and the NIL $ is non-refundable. If you shell out to those players, you would want to see your team in the final 4. It's a novelty now, soon buyers will start questioning their ROI.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Feb 6, 2024 9:58:54 GMT -6
Look at the $ going to IU and UK. The fans of both teams are upset, and the NIL $ is non-refundable. If you shell out to those players, you would want to see your team in the final 4. It's a novelty now, soon buyers will start questioning their ROI. I disagree on the novelty part. In my opinion, it’s been happening under the table at a lot of places for a long time and it’s just out in the open now. Maybe the extreme multi million dollar deals weren’t happening as frequently but John Wall & Demarcus cousins definitely got 6 figures and sports cars to come to UK 15 years ago. Kansas has been paying guys for years. IU fans won’t like to hear this, but do you really think IU beat out Kansas & Louisville (two renowned cheaters) for Romeo Langford just because he’s an Indiana kid? No, Archie took one out of his brothers playbook and dropped a bag of cash for the kid. Same with Khristian Lander who randomly committed to IU (over Kansas and Louisville again) and reclassified right as Archie’s seat started to get hot. It’s been happening everywhere under the table for years, and now it’s just out in the open. “If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying”. There’s guys out there that have been doing this for years, and if it’s not working, they’re not going to question their ROI. They’re going to question if they need to cut a check for a new coach. Maybe they’ll stop spending 2 million on a Highschool quarter back, but there will always be multiple programs willing to spend $200,000 on that QB imo.
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Post by ATP on Feb 6, 2024 10:38:19 GMT -6
NIL is across the board, and we are focused on men's BB. In other sports, the NCAA or the competing schools MUST soon come to a crossroads on this. NIL and the pandemic transfer protocols have murdered the MAC, especially its football. Other conferences are similarly affected, I suppose.
The year the B1G programs shut down or didn't recruit, they made up for it by borrowing all the top MAC players. Now the MAC is a crap conference in almost all men's sports. I don't follow their non-revenue teams.
Baseball is about to undergo a transformation. MLB has already fully grasped that the top D-1 players can be ready for the majors inside of 2 years. How this plays out is that the best high school kids who used to get drafted are now going to "enroll" at subsidized D-1 programs for a couple of years. It's cheaper than running a rookie pro league. That's good for MLB and its stingy-ass ways. But it will turn good mid-major baseball teams into a better version of the local juco team that depends on the kid from Beantown to drive over 3 days a week for games. UE baseball has spoiled me. I can't wait for this season. Will I say that in 3 or 4 years?
I mean, none of this is a big surprise and we all can see it from any angle we want. Is this good for college sports? Sure, in some ways. Is it good for old-time fans who long for games that were won because we just played better? Not in the slightest. I will watch the Aces for reasons that make no difference, and when I hope the women come within 20 points of Drake and consider that a moral victory -- who benefits? The top women's teams are going to separate even more now. Losing by 40 will be the norm and eventually, the power teams will hold out a check for $3,500 and say, "Take it or leave it. We can beat the Eutectics by that score and they're happy to take this expense check."
NCAA now is chatting about letting teams decide if they want to take part in the NIL-fest where wealthy alumni shell out millions for bragging rights at the country club dinner. Related on that: I recall telling a Valpo fan on Saturday that "It's about time we won one. The days of UE gettin' kicked around are over." (It felt good since I proudly wore the purple shirt with ACES on the front.)
NIL is taking that away from me and giving it to people who are churning up a monster in their cauldron. I am way too old now to take sides on this. The argument is that the athletes are getting paid for playing instead of being unpaid entertainers. Yeah, that's true. But BY GOD at least make them graduate from high school first.
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Post by sycamorefan96 on Feb 11, 2024 11:14:31 GMT -6
NIL is a joke. We place way too much value on sports in this country. You get a free education, free meals, etc. etc. How about we raise money for people who save lives and protect the country, like our selfless military personnel. Seems to me, as a country we really have our priorities screwed up. As for Marcus, who cares what he thinks? He showed his stripes these past 12 months. I care not what he says or thinks. I agree. As a kid I enjoyed playing sports because it was fun. Now as an adult I enjoy watching them because it's something to do. Unfortunately money is ruining the college game I have always enjoyed. If I wanted to watch professionals I'd go watch a professional league, not college. Up in Terre Haute they are wanting to build a $160M-$200M youth sports park. Supposedly there's big money in it because every parent thinks their little Johnny is going to be the next Babe Ruth or Christiano Ronaldo. It's so ridiculous. Way to take the fun out of athletics for kids.
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Post by evilleintentions on Feb 11, 2024 14:47:26 GMT -6
Trust me I know. Having boys who went through all the politics and terrible parents who thought their kid was the second coming was not so fun. Baseball is the worst culprit. If you’re not willing to spend thousands of dollars on training instructors and spend half your life on travel ball your kids have no shot when they get to age 12. I was unwilling to do it and better for it. All these kids whose parents thought they were going to get drafted in MLB know how many got drafted?? Not a damn one. It’s pretty comical looking back on it. And then the daddy ball coaches…….don’t get me started on that topic. They are walking among us 😅😂
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Post by justaacesfan on Feb 11, 2024 17:00:44 GMT -6
NIL is a joke. We place way too much value on sports in this country. You get a free education, free meals, etc. etc. How about we raise money for people who save lives and protect the country, like our selfless military personnel. Seems to me, as a country we really have our priorities screwed up. As for Marcus, who cares what he thinks? He showed his stripes these past 12 months. I care not what he says or thinks. You should write your local politician about your concerns for the troops. Not sure how that correlates to college athletes finally getting paid after years of generating billions for universities for free. Not sure what Marcus has to do with any of this either since the post was about ISU NIL, but Marcus was absolutely right in his last interview about how we need to get with the times and get competitive with NIL or we will be redoing our roster every year. Even if Schertz leaves, the next guy in Terra haute will likely be able to build a great roster with that kinda resources. Someone jokingly said in another thread that “we could buy ourselves a Humrichous if 1,000 of us are willing to donate $150”. It’s a funny way of putting it, but if we actually had some sort of organized attempt at crowd sourcing NIL money, I would think we could at least raise a somewhat competitive amount. I would be willing to donate $100-150 if I thought it was actually going to help us bring in and retain talent and I’m sure there’s a decent amount of other fans that would be willing if they thought it was helping us win. There’s 4,000+ people at most home games, surely there’s 1,000 that would be willing to make a contribution once a year to improve our chances of winning significantly. Maybe I’m the minority in thinking that, but it would be nice to see us get with the times and at least make some sort of effort to raise some funds whether from big donors, local businesses, or crowd sourced from the average fan. If we don’t want to embrace the NIL era, we might as well drop to D2/3 where it isn’t a factor in recruiting. Otherwise, we’re just going to be in the cellar of the MVC until our mentality on it changes.
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Post by ATP on Feb 12, 2024 9:03:55 GMT -6
Trust me I know. Having boys who went through all the politics and terrible parents who thought their kid was the second coming was not so fun. Baseball is the worst culprit. If you’re not willing to spend thousands of dollars on training instructors and spend half your life on travel ball your kids have no shot when they get to age 12. I was unwilling to do it and better for it. All these kids whose parents thought they were going to get drafted in MLB know how many got drafted?? Not a damn one. It’s pretty comical looking back on it. And then the daddy ball coaches…….don’t get me started on that topic. They are walking among us 😅😂 So, only the kids who don't participate in organized sports get a positive outcome later in life? If your parents are affluent and you take part in travel ball, you are some kind of sinister mark on society? Yeah, affluency provides opportunity and it also yields doctors, teachers, great military leaders, engineers, pro athletes, coaches, and more. Thousands of kids from the Caribbean islands also think they can play MLB and many of them don't get past Daytona Beach and the FSL. But they become better people for it. Baseball is not a "culprit." It's a place for kids to learn how to play team sports. The very best will become professionals. The "daddy ball coaches" you ridicule are often some of the leaders of the community. If you don't like how that works, I am sure they would allow you to participate instead of grumbling about how they ruined your life. If your kid can't play, then be a trainer, or an equipment assistant. Learn sports medicine. Or broadcasting, or field maintenance. Those are actual jobs being done by people who benefit from taking part in it. That also leaves time to read books. You also don't need NIL money to do those things. You need people who are willing to organize the leagues. Here's an inside bit of information: None of the people you think are 'woke' even use the word.
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Post by paradeuce on Feb 12, 2024 9:46:23 GMT -6
I've seen 'em all while umpiring various AAU Tournaments around the State of Florida, where non-Spanish speaking umpires need only be proficient in one word - "andale" -to keep the games rolling! If not, expect a 15 min pitching conference every time the HC goes to the mound.
Never forget the early 90's "Macaroni" parental phase, where there was always a "boom box" behind the backstop w/ parents & children going thru the motions...
The Indiana Bulls were in a tournament @ Cocoa Expo one year...these parents thought they owned Cooperstown!
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Post by evilleintentions on Feb 13, 2024 14:35:41 GMT -6
Trust me I know. Having boys who went through all the politics and terrible parents who thought their kid was the second coming was not so fun. Baseball is the worst culprit. If you’re not willing to spend thousands of dollars on training instructors and spend half your life on travel ball your kids have no shot when they get to age 12. I was unwilling to do it and better for it. All these kids whose parents thought they were going to get drafted in MLB know how many got drafted?? Not a damn one. It’s pretty comical looking back on it. And then the daddy ball coaches…….don’t get me started on that topic. They are walking among us 😅😂 So, only the kids who don't participate in organized sports get a positive outcome later in life? If your parents are affluent and you take part in travel ball, you are some kind of sinister mark on society? Yeah, affluency provides opportunity and it also yields doctors, teachers, great military leaders, engineers, pro athletes, coaches, and more. Thousands of kids from the Caribbean islands also think they can play MLB and many of them don't get past Daytona Beach and the FSL. But they become better people for it. Baseball is not a "culprit." It's a place for kids to learn how to play team sports. The very best will become professionals. The "daddy ball coaches" you ridicule are often some of the leaders of the community. If you don't like how that works, I am sure they would allow you to participate instead of grumbling about how they ruined your life. If your kid can't play, then be a trainer, or an equipment assistant. Learn sports medicine. Or broadcasting, or field maintenance. Those are actual jobs being done by people who benefit from taking part in it. That also leaves time to read books. You also don't need NIL money to do those things. You need people who are willing to organize the leagues. Here's an inside bit of information: None of the people you think are 'woke' even use the word. That’s not what I said. For the record my son played 3 sports in high school. I would expect nothing less from you though. If Woke had a name, it would be ATP.
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Post by evilleintentions on Feb 13, 2024 14:38:14 GMT -6
The "daddy ball coaches" you ridicule are often some of the leaders of the community. If you don't like how that works, I am sure they would allow you to participate instead of grumbling about how they ruined your life.
Like I said, they walk amongst us.
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Post by austinace on Feb 13, 2024 16:07:21 GMT -6
...If Woke had a name,... Not sure I will every fully understand this term. Or if it is even good or bad, but that is not a conversation for this thread. Just one of the interesting words or idealogies thrown out today in this crazy time that we are in - no matter which side of the fence you/we are on.
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Post by ATP on Feb 13, 2024 16:24:09 GMT -6
You also don't need NIL money to do those things. You need people who are willing to organize the leagues. Here's an inside bit of information: None of the people you think are 'woke' even use the word. That’s not what I said. For the record my son played 3 sports in high school. I would expect nothing less from you though. If Woke had a name, it would be ATP. Actually everything I replied to IS exactly what you said. It's right there in the thread.
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Post by ATP on Feb 13, 2024 16:28:32 GMT -6
...If Woke had a name,... Not sure I will every fully understand this term. Or if it is even good or bad, but that is not a conversation for this thread. Just one of the interesting words or idealogies thrown out today in this crazy time that we are in - no matter which side of the fence you/we are on. They were called "thugs" for a time, but when that got exposed, it turned to "woke" which includes a slightly larger base for hate. The terms were different in other eras.
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Post by evilleintentions on Feb 13, 2024 17:52:09 GMT -6
Bye Felicia. I wish not to argue nor talk to you. Bye Bye.
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Post by wildbill on Feb 13, 2024 18:27:12 GMT -6
Did everyone forget this was about the Gibson's and ISU?
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