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Post by indymoon on Jan 23, 2020 10:18:10 GMT -6
Newton and Henderson are two bright spots. Drake was 10-16 from 3pt. With their big guy download and the Aces perimeter players helping a bit that created space for those 3 pt shots and they buried them. Regardless, Aces have to get better defensively. Givance is explosive and fun to watch but is rarely a threat on drives and doesn't create scoring chances for teammates. I've seen several times where he passes the ball too soon as the teammate is not yet down the court or not in a position to score. I'm hoping that improves with PT and awareness but ?? I disagree about Givance. In the first half he came in down double figures, left down 6. By the time he returned we were down 17. By that time the deal was sealed. I thought we tried hard for first 10 minutes of 2nd half. Just not good enough to dig out of a 20 point deficit. Hall looked decent driving to the bucket, awful everywhere else. KJ is useless without shooters opening things up. Our shooters are not good. Some are streaky. Henderson, Kuhlman and Frederking are our only spot up shooters... and Noah is in an awful bench warranting slump. Sam needs to take the ball inside the arc, but it is hard when you are not hitting and don’t always go hard. I trust TL to start playing players who give effort deserving of playing time. I thought he handled himself professionally in a no-win situation. My critique of Givance was limited to the observation that he's unable to finish himself (too small) or create scoring chances for teammates (timing?). His only scoring was three 3pts (no layups) and had only 1 assist in 20 mins. So based upon last night, my observation is accurate. I didn't say he had a bad game. He was 3 for 3 from 3pt range - good for him. We know that's not his strong suit and this likely shows he's been working. I think, with more playing time that he deserves, his shooting and timing with teammates will continue to improve.
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Post by indymoon on Jan 23, 2020 10:26:34 GMT -6
I was watching Todd lastnight quite a bit .Seems he was conferring with Logan a lot as the game was progressing. Benny and Terrance didn't seem to do or say a whole lot.Just an observation I'm not really surprised regarding Benny because he's the new guy of those three (hired in August 2019). TL would have worked with Logan and Terrance last year so likely has some familiarity with them.
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Post by evilleman on Jan 23, 2020 10:27:31 GMT -6
I was watching Todd lastnight quite a bit .Seems he was conferring with Logan a lot as the game was progressing. Benny and Terrance didn't seem to do or say a whole lot.Just an observation Noticed the same thing. Will be interesting to see if that continues in the future. It may have been Logan's scout so that could have been the reasoning.
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Post by bballjunkie on Jan 23, 2020 10:29:20 GMT -6
Givance is the least of our concerns. He’s a solid ball handler, tough defender, plays hard, and looks for open teammates instead of trying to be the scoring hero. There are many times where his penetration blow by’s create open shots but we simply don’t have talented shooters and no bigs who can finish in traffic at the rim. It’s hard to have high assist numbers with that combo.....and he still has a great assist to turnover ratio which speaks to his ability to protect the basketball.
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Post by mybigpurplebrain on Jan 23, 2020 10:30:20 GMT -6
Hall showed on one drive past their Seven footer that he could get by him. He should have been able to all game long .I was calling for that from the start . After the big guy hit his first shot. Sam with his size and athletic ability would also play inside for me. He should be able to elevate over just about anyone off the block. Newton plays hard. Plays tight D. I have been baffled by his struggle to score. He averaged 29 a hame his JR and SR years in high school . Shamar either drives into people or stops the drive too soon. Of course I’m above the floor but to me it looked like he could get by people if he just kept going in at times. Art plays hard. Frederking has lost his shot for some reason. TeMs are getting by our guys way to easy. If you look at the KY game that did NOT happen. What changed? Even Frederking and Kuhlman kept their guys on front of them. Luckily with good coaching now these things could be fixed. If the players are unwilling to work to fix then bring in kids that will.
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Post by Tom Servo on Jan 23, 2020 10:36:16 GMT -6
I Agree - Blaming Lick for that game last night is silly. I didn't hear much of that where I was sitting thankfully. It goes back to recruiting Low IQ players who can't shoot. I know that may offend some people, but I'm sick of it and I'm going to call a spade a spade. And that's on both Simmons and MCCarty for who they recruited and the coaching/discipline that was installed in the last 1.5 years. This fan base is fickle for sure. It gets really low when we reach to calling our student athletes low IQ. Sad coming from a moderator. I listened to the interviews of Noah and Evan from the last coaches show. They're majoring in finance, management, and leadership. Those majors take more than a little IQ and intelligence. Furthermore, at the end of the their lives will it matter they missed a few shots? You miss all of the shots you don't take. Are there student athletes on this team who may be barely eligible academically? Perhaps. This post makes me sick to my stomach. I deleted it - I let the emotions get the best of me - however, please know this. When I say IQ I obviously meant BBall IQ. Not general IQ. And was certainly not referring to those two guys. Driving into three people is a low BB IQ move and that is what several of our guys continue to do...I'll stand by that because it makes me sick to my stomach every time they do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 11:30:33 GMT -6
I disagree about Givance. In the first half he came in down double figures, left down 6. By the time he returned we were down 17. By that time the deal was sealed. I thought we tried hard for first 10 minutes of 2nd half. Just not good enough to dig out of a 20 point deficit. Hall looked decent driving to the bucket, awful everywhere else. KJ is useless without shooters opening things up. Our shooters are not good. Some are streaky. Henderson, Kuhlman and Frederking are our only spot up shooters... and Noah is in an awful bench warranting slump. Sam needs to take the ball inside the arc, but it is hard when you are not hitting and don’t always go hard. I trust TL to start playing players who give effort deserving of playing time. I thought he handled himself professionally in a no-win situation. My critique of Givance was limited to the observation that he's unable to finish himself (too small) or create scoring chances for teammates (timing?). His only scoring was three 3pts (no layups) and had only 1 assist in 20 mins. So based upon last night, my observation is accurate. I didn't say he had a bad game. He was 3 for 3 from 3pt range - good for him. We know that's not his strong suit and this likely shows he's been working. I think, with more playing time that he deserves, his shooting and timing with teammates will continue to improve. Okay, Shamar only had one assist. Does that prove that he didn't deliver the ball to an open shooter or that the open shooters missed the shot, the rim and the backboard? The Aces shot 30% overall. Is it Shamar's fault that Kuhlman was 1-6, Noah 1-8, Hall 3-10, Artur 1-6 and Cunliffe 2-8? Shamar's quickness creates scoring opportunities but it's hard to have assists when your teammates can't throw a beach ball into the ocean from a life raft.
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Post by acecard on Jan 23, 2020 11:35:56 GMT -6
Say what you will but the defeatist attitude is almost unbearable. Too much effort to think that way all the time. My psychology minor taught me that being negative is much easier, than being positive.
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Post by acecard on Jan 23, 2020 11:45:54 GMT -6
So a couple of things: The stupidity of some fans in the crowd was too much last night. I get that we all are frustrated. We are hurt. This season has been terrible. However when multiple people are criticizing the coach who has literally been on campus for 21 hours for the lousy play...that’s just ignorant. As many have said on the thread, we have more problems than the previous coaching situation. And it will take time. If TL just runs a couple of offensive sets and gets the team to work on defense, it will be a success. While the play was not good, I give TL credit for making our bench look like team. Those that weren’t dressed were in UE sweatsuits and not ripped jeans and untucked shirts. Managers and trainers were in matching polos and dress paints and not just what was clean in their closet. That is small I know: but those things show discipline, respect, togetherness. All things we need. On another subject. I know Deandre is a good player. Notice I didn’t say great. Obviously I want the kid to stay. However reading through this thread makes it sound like the world would end if he left. We were 9-5 with him. He definitely had his struggles. He is a good player no doubt and would obviously help if he were playing. But if he leaves, he leaves. That is not...and should not...be the number 1 goal. Let’s just get guys in here that was to play and want to wear an Aces uniform. Excellent post.
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Post by acecard on Jan 23, 2020 11:56:40 GMT -6
I Agree - Blaming Lick for that game last night is silly. I didn't hear much of that where I was sitting thankfully. It goes back to recruiting Low IQ players who can't shoot. I know that may offend some people, but I'm sick of it and I'm going to call a spade a spade. And that's on both Simmons and MCCarty for who they recruited and the coaching/discipline that was installed in the last 1.5 years. This fan base is fickle for sure. It gets really low when we reach to calling our student athletes low IQ. Sad coming from a moderator. I listened to the interviews of Noah and Evan from the last coaches show. They're majoring in finance, management, and leadership. Those majors take more than a little IQ and intelligence. Furthermore, at the end of the their lives will it matter they missed a few shots? You miss all of the shots you don't take. Are there student athletes on this team who may be barely eligible academically? Perhaps. This post makes me sick to my stomach. Tom was talking about basketball IQ, not academic IQ. There is a big difference.
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Post by E-Villan on Jan 23, 2020 11:59:02 GMT -6
So a couple of things: The stupidity of some fans in the crowd was too much last night. I get that we all are frustrated. We are hurt. This season has been terrible. However when multiple people are criticizing the coach who has literally been on campus for 21 hours for the lousy play...that’s just ignorant. As many have said on the thread, we have more problems than the previous coaching situation. And it will take time. If TL just runs a couple of offensive sets and gets the team to work on defense, it will be a success. While the play was not good, I give TL credit for making our bench look like team. Those that weren’t dressed were in UE sweatsuits and not ripped jeans and untucked shirts. Managers and trainers were in matching polos and dress paints and not just what was clean in their closet. That is small I know: but those things show discipline, respect, togetherness. All things we need. On another subject. I know Deandre is a good player. Notice I didn’t say great. Obviously I want the kid to stay. However reading through this thread makes it sound like the world would end if he left. We were 9-5 with him. He definitely had his struggles. He is a good player no doubt and would obviously help if he were playing. But if he leaves, he leaves. That is not...and should not...be the number 1 goal. Let’s just get guys in here that was to play and want to wear an Aces uniform. Excellent post. Agreed. The consensus in our section last night was TL will need some time to even start having a mark on this team. McCarty broke this team, and no one can put it back together in 24 hours. I also watched Williams last night. I think if he could play, he would be out there. I also think TL has more than a reasonable chance at keeping him. As a player, it is going to be hard not to like that guy.
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Post by Atlanta Ace on Jan 23, 2020 12:02:12 GMT -6
This fan base is fickle for sure. It gets really low when we reach to calling our student athletes low IQ. Sad coming from a moderator. I listened to the interviews of Noah and Evan from the last coaches show. They're majoring in finance, management, and leadership. Those majors take more than a little IQ and intelligence. Furthermore, at the end of the their lives will it matter they missed a few shots? You miss all of the shots you don't take. Are there student athletes on this team who may be barely eligible academically? Perhaps. This post makes me sick to my stomach. Tom was talking about basketball IQ, not academic IQ. There is a big difference. Hell, I knew that also. This is an Aces Fan messageboard. You're participating in a thread discussing last night's game. If you want to talk academics, go start a thread in the off topics section.
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Post by E-Villan on Jan 23, 2020 12:19:07 GMT -6
Tom was talking about basketball IQ, not academic IQ. There is a big difference. Hell, I knew that also. This is an Aces Fan messageboard. You're participating in a thread discussing last night's game. If you want to talk academics, go start a thread in the off topics section. Yep. Personally, a simple edit of adding "basketball" would have been more than sufficient. No need to delete it. What I do want to address is the line "sad coming from a moderator". The moderators are here to do one thing, enforce what little rules we have in place. Other than that, it is an open forum, and we mods should engage and opine just like every other poster. Being a mod, doesn't mean they can only share opinions that every single person agrees with...and it certainly doesn't mean anyone has to agree with them. Opine, debate and disagree all you want. No one is held to different standards because of what is next to their name. I would suggest a couple of Alka-Seltzers for that stomach issue.
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Post by stennisrm72 on Jan 23, 2020 13:03:03 GMT -6
This fan base is fickle for sure. It gets really low when we reach to calling our student athletes low IQ. Sad coming from a moderator. I listened to the interviews of Noah and Evan from the last coaches show. They're majoring in finance, management, and leadership. Those majors take more than a little IQ and intelligence. Furthermore, at the end of the their lives will it matter they missed a few shots? You miss all of the shots you don't take. Are there student athletes on this team who may be barely eligible academically? Perhaps. This post makes me sick to my stomach. I deleted it - I let the emotions get the best of me - however, please know this. When I say IQ I obviously meant BBall IQ. Not general IQ. And was certainly not referring to those two guys. Driving into three people is a low BB IQ move and that is what several of our guys continue to do...I'll stand by that because it makes me sick to my stomach every time they do it. It wasn't so obvious to me but 20/20 hindsight and I'm saying "duh" to myself. Even still, you have to have a reasonable "basketball IQ" to play at the D1 level. Drive and dish appears to be a primary focus of this offense. We saw it some from Drake last night. That's how Marty's help defense was smoked for wide open 3's imo. People clamored for us to do it. So we hired a coach who runs a pro style offense and we moan about our execution of that. Yes, you need shooters to knock down shots. Most of our shooters are in slumps now. It happens. We've had games this season we've won by knocking down some big 3's. I don't buy the premise that we don't have shooters. I'm so frustrated now that I'd rather see a hybrid between the motion offense and pro style. Give me a 15 foot jump shot coming off a curl screen right now.
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Post by sect3purple on Jan 23, 2020 13:12:15 GMT -6
I think Williams return to the team is vital...and not just because he is such a great player capable of adding high numbers to our score. His greatest value to this team is his passion and energy in being out there fighting. I watched him fly around the court, slamming down dunks, splashing 3's..and giving that battle-cry expression that set off the responses from the crew in the bar area. Hey, he could inspire some of those guys to run out there and join him; imagine how he inspires his teammates who seem to step up also.
I believe our biggest, and most immediate, goal is mental...confidence, passion, fight...now we play like we believe we are going to lose, and when we start off not-hitting, we just play out that belief with all the lousy defense and lack of offense a non-confident team can show. The snowball is rolling the wrong way, and we can't seem to stop it. Williams may be that stop...I hope he heals completely and we see him don his purple battle gear and lead his team back to playing like they believe in themselves again. In the meantime, we need shooting practice and a big dose of energy on defense - gotta make this team better and stronger).
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