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Post by aceshigh on Jan 22, 2020 22:54:58 GMT -6
I’m assuming DeAndre has played his last game in an Aces uniform. He’s already 21 years old or so and has been out of high school for 3 years. If McCarty would’ve been here next year, I think Williams May have returned but I’m not so sure now. I think he’ll test the NBA draft process based on his strong performance against UK and the strong non conference schedule and see where he stands. He may opt for the G-League or go to Europe for a couple years to strengthen his game, make money, then look at the NBA. I hope I’m wrong, but with the over-recruiting going on, his buddy head coach fired, etc there’s room to worry. If this were the case then why is he still in school for the second semester? He could go back to Houston and hire an agent to shop him in the various pro leagues. I’m sure he could find a contract for the remaining basketball season be it overseas or the G League. Will DeAndre bail UE before his eligibility is fully used? Possibly but he might gain better contracts if he stays in school and further develops his skills.
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Post by municup14 on Jan 23, 2020 5:22:30 GMT -6
As far as DeAndre's back, it does depend on the type of injury. If it's pulled muscles or a strain, he can heal and play again. If it's more structural, that could be a career ender. The kid is 6-9 so it's not uncommon for tall guys to have those problems. The UE med staff isn't going to address that in public. To be honest, getting him back now won't move the needle for me. Just finish out with 19 losses in a row and start over again. I can't lose any sleep over what I've seen since the first of the year. It's almost baseball season. I can count 5 players who are underclassmen that I hope don't come back
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Post by municup14 on Jan 23, 2020 5:25:46 GMT -6
I'm wondering if DeAndre will seek a medical red shirt
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Post by acepurple84 on Jan 23, 2020 5:34:07 GMT -6
I'm wondering if DeAndre will seek a medical red shirt Since we are not a P5 conference I doubt it. They only do those kinds of things for the P5 people. Look at Hill. Yes I am being cynical.
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Post by 83Ace on Jan 23, 2020 6:48:28 GMT -6
I'm wondering if DeAndre will seek a medical red shirt You have to have played in less than 30% of games with injury in first half of season to get medical redshirt.
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Post by youngacesfan on Jan 23, 2020 8:05:18 GMT -6
I'm wondering if DeAndre will seek a medical red shirt He's 23 years old. Why would he redshirt
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Post by acefamily on Jan 23, 2020 8:13:13 GMT -6
So a couple of things:
The stupidity of some fans in the crowd was too much last night. I get that we all are frustrated. We are hurt. This season has been terrible. However when multiple people are criticizing the coach who has literally been on campus for 21 hours for the lousy play...that’s just ignorant. As many have said on the thread, we have more problems than the previous coaching situation. And it will take time. If TL just runs a couple of offensive sets and gets the team to work on defense, it will be a success. While the play was not good, I give TL credit for making our bench look like team. Those that weren’t dressed were in UE sweatsuits and not ripped jeans and untucked shirts. Managers and trainers were in matching polos and dress paints and not just what was clean in their closet. That is small I know: but those things show discipline, respect, togetherness. All things we need.
On another subject. I know Deandre is a good player. Notice I didn’t say great. Obviously I want the kid to stay. However reading through this thread makes it sound like the world would end if he left. We were 9-5 with him. He definitely had his struggles. He is a good player no doubt and would obviously help if he were playing. But if he leaves, he leaves. That is not...and should not...be the number 1 goal. Let’s just get guys in here that was to play and want to wear an Aces uniform.
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Post by Tom Servo on Jan 23, 2020 8:27:00 GMT -6
After last night's scintillating shooting performance we raised our three point % from 23.5% to 23.6%. Guys, that isn't going to beat anyone. Until this program understands that you must have shooters on the court the struggles are going to continue. Like I said on the other thread, I don't want to hear anymore about how athletic or talented a recruit is - I just want someone who can make a shot. We get open shots at times, but we just clang them up there. And it's not just threes. Cunliffe missed 3 point blank layups. He tried to make a big show on one of them slamming the backboard and made himself look pretty dumb. And some of our shots look so bad you have to wonder if there is a wind-tunnel on the court. And I'll also say it isn't just shooting, it terrible decision making by multiple guys. Trying to drive into three people (Riley, Cunliffe, Art) but not trying to make a move when you have an angle or advantage. I could go on, but I'd really rather not.
Poor Lickliter has a lot of work to do - I really feel for him.
You can say what you want about Defense, I agree it isn't great. But when you are scoring around 50 pts a game in conference play, it doesn't really make any difference what defense you play, you are going to lose.
I will say Marcus Henderson was a bright spot and Newton did some nice things. Other than that - I don't really have much good to say. Hall looked a little better when he quit piddling around behind the three point line.
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Post by municup14 on Jan 23, 2020 8:46:03 GMT -6
I was watching Todd lastnight quite a bit .Seems he was conferring with Logan a lot as the game was progressing. Benny and Terrance didn't seem to do or say a whole lot.Just an observation
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Post by indymoon on Jan 23, 2020 8:54:57 GMT -6
After last night's scintillating shooting performance we raised our three point % from 23.5% to 23.6%. Guys, that isn't going to beat anyone. Until this program understands that you must have shooters on the court the struggles are going to continue. Like I said on the other thread, I don't want to hear anymore about how athletic or talented a recruit is - I just want someone who can make a shot. We get open shots at times, but we just clang them up there. And it's not just threes. Cunliffe missed 3 point blank layups. He tried to make a big show on one of them slamming the backboard and made himself look pretty dumb. And some of our shots look so bad you have to wonder if there is a wind-tunnel on the court. And I'll also say it isn't just shooting, it terrible decision making by multiple guys. Trying to drive into three people (Riley, Cunliffe, Art) but not trying to make a move when you have an angle or advantage. I could go on, but I'd really rather not.
Poor Lickliter has a lot of work to do - I really feel for him.
You can say what you want about Defense, I agree it isn't great. But when you are scoring around 50 pts a game in conference play, it doesn't really make any difference what defense you play, you are going to lose.
I will say Marcus Henderson was a bright spot and Newton did some nice things. Other than that - I don't really have much good to say. Hall looked a little better when he quit piddling around behind the three point line.
Newton and Henderson are two bright spots. Drake was 10-16 from 3pt. With their big guy download and the Aces perimeter players helping a bit that created space for those 3 pt shots and they buried them. Regardless, Aces have to get better defensively. Givance is explosive and fun to watch but is rarely a threat on drives and doesn't create scoring chances for teammates. I've seen several times where he passes the ball too soon as the teammate is not yet down the court or not in a position to score. I'm hoping that improves with PT and awareness but ??
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Post by kyace1 on Jan 23, 2020 9:15:31 GMT -6
After last night's scintillating shooting performance we raised our three point % from 23.5% to 23.6%. Guys, that isn't going to beat anyone. Until this program understands that you must have shooters on the court the struggles are going to continue. Like I said on the other thread, I don't want to hear anymore about how athletic or talented a recruit is - I just want someone who can make a shot. We get open shots at times, but we just clang them up there. And it's not just threes. Cunliffe missed 3 point blank layups. He tried to make a big show on one of them slamming the backboard and made himself look pretty dumb. And some of our shots look so bad you have to wonder if there is a wind-tunnel on the court. And I'll also say it isn't just shooting, it terrible decision making by multiple guys. Trying to drive into three people (Riley, Cunliffe, Art) but not trying to make a move when you have an angle or advantage. I could go on, but I'd really rather not.
Poor Lickliter has a lot of work to do - I really feel for him.
You can say what you want about Defense, I agree it isn't great. But when you are scoring around 50 pts a game in conference play, it doesn't really make any difference what defense you play, you are going to lose.
I will say Marcus Henderson was a bright spot and Newton did some nice things. Other than that - I don't really have much good to say. Hall looked a little better when he quit piddling around behind the three point line.
Newton and Henderson are two bright spots. Drake was 10-16 from 3pt. With their big guy download and the Aces perimeter players helping a bit that created space for those 3 pt shots and they buried them. Regardless, Aces have to get better defensively. Givance is explosive and fun to watch but is rarely a threat on drives and doesn't create scoring chances for teammates. I've seen several times where he passes the ball too soon as the teammate is not yet down the court or not in a position to score. I'm hoping that improves with PT and awareness but ?? I disagree about Givance. In the first half he came in down double figures, left down 6. By the time he returned we were down 17. By that time the deal was sealed. I thought we tried hard for first 10 minutes of 2nd half. Just not good enough to dig out of a 20 point deficit. Hall looked decent driving to the bucket, awful everywhere else. KJ is useless without shooters opening things up. Our shooters are not good. Some are streaky. Henderson, Kuhlman and Frederking are our only spot up shooters... and Noah is in an awful bench warranting slump. Sam needs to take the ball inside the arc, but it is hard when you are not hitting and don’t always go hard. I trust TL to start playing players who give effort deserving of playing time. I thought he handled himself professionally in a no-win situation.
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Post by neweraaces on Jan 23, 2020 9:34:02 GMT -6
On another subject. I know Deandre is a good player. Notice I didn’t say great. Obviously I want the kid to stay. However reading through this thread makes it sound like the world would end if he left. We were 9-5 with him. He definitely had his struggles. He is a good player no doubt and would obviously help if he were playing. But if he leaves, he leaves. That is not...and should not...be the number 1 goal. Let’s just get guys in here that was to play and want to wear an Aces uniform. I respectfully disagree. DeAndre, in my opinion, is one of the more athletic players we have ever recruited. Losing him would be a massive blow to the future of the program. I have no desire to sit through another 3-4 years rebuilding. Retaining him should be a top priority because sure we can recruit individuals that "want to play and want to wear an Aces uniform", but we have to have some athleticism on this team otherwise next year will be an absolute dumpster fire of a season. Now yes, I'm not denying, we have to have players who want to play here, and I just hope Williams is one of those players. Saying we were 9-5 with him is not a fair statement either, as one player does not make up an entire team. Williams led most of the box scores in those losses, but when the team around him is playing pick-up basketball and bombing threes whenever they desire, there's not much he can do about that. As Lindskog mentioned, people are recognizing his ability to play at the next level if he continues to develop his potential.
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Post by acefamily on Jan 23, 2020 10:09:13 GMT -6
Let me be clear I am not saying Deandre is trash. AT ALL. He has a huge upside. He has played well this year. I do think it is fair to recognize that we weren’t “world-beaters” with him. While he has had 5-6 great games, he has also had 4 duds. Obviously our chances are better with him on the court than without.
I will say he is gifted athletically. But he isn’t the most athletic kid we have ever had. He has talent, but he isn’t the most talented we have ever had. Again, he has potential...but had a long way to go. I...like every other fan...want him to stay. I still believe our number one priority is not to retain Deandre Williams. It is to find our identity as a program. That will take time.
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Post by stennisrm72 on Jan 23, 2020 10:13:27 GMT -6
So a couple of things: The stupidity of some fans in the crowd was too much last night. I get that we all are frustrated. We are hurt. This season has been terrible. However when multiple people are criticizing the coach who has literally been on campus for 21 hours for the lousy play...that’s just ignorant. As many have said on the thread, we have more problems than the previous coaching situation. And it will take time. If TL just runs a couple of offensive sets and gets the team to work on defense, it will be a success. While the play was not good, I give TL credit for making our bench look like team. Those that weren’t dressed were in UE sweatsuits and not ripped jeans and untucked shirts. Managers and trainers were in matching polos and dress paints and not just what was clean in their closet. That is small I know: but those things show discipline, respect, togetherness. All things we need. On another subject. I know Deandre is a good player. Notice I didn’t say great. Obviously I want the kid to stay. However reading through this thread makes it sound like the world would end if he left. We were 9-5 with him. He definitely had his struggles. He is a good player no doubt and would obviously help if he were playing. But if he leaves, he leaves. That is not...and should not...be the number 1 goal. Let’s just get guys in here that was to play and want to wear an Aces uniform. I Agree - Blaming Lick for that game last night is silly. I didn't hear much of that where I was sitting thankfully. It goes back to recruiting Low IQ players who can't shoot. I know that may offend some people, but I'm sick of it and I'm going to call a spade a spade. And that's on both Simmons and MCCarty for who they recruited and the coaching/discipline that was installed in the last 1.5 years. This fan base is fickle for sure. It gets really low when we reach to calling our student athletes low IQ. Sad coming from a moderator. I listened to the interviews of Noah and Evan from the last coaches show. They're majoring in finance, management, and leadership. Those majors take more than a little IQ and intelligence. Furthermore, at the end of the their lives will it matter they missed a few shots? You miss all of the shots you don't take. Are there student athletes on this team who may be barely eligible academically? Perhaps. This post makes me sick to my stomach.
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Post by Atlanta Ace on Jan 23, 2020 10:16:09 GMT -6
On another subject. I know Deandre is a good player. Notice I didn’t say great. Obviously I want the kid to stay. However reading through this thread makes it sound like the world would end if he left. We were 9-5 with him. He definitely had his struggles. He is a good player no doubt and would obviously help if he were playing. But if he leaves, he leaves. That is not...and should not...be the number 1 goal. Let’s just get guys in here that was to play and want to wear an Aces uniform. I respectfully disagree. DeAndre, in my opinion, is one of the more athletic players we have ever recruited. Losing him would be a massive blow to the future of the program. I have no desire to sit through another 3-4 years rebuilding. Retaining him should be a top priority because sure we can recruit individuals that "want to play and want to wear an Aces uniform", but we have to have some athleticism on this team otherwise next year will be an absolute dumpster fire of a season. Now yes, I'm not denying, we have to have players who want to play here, and I just hope Williams is one of those players. Saying we were 9-5 with him is not a fair statement either, as one player does not make up an entire team. Williams led most of the box scores in those losses, but when the team around him is playing pick-up basketball and bombing threes whenever they desire, there's not much he can do about that. As Lindskog mentioned, people are recognizing his ability to play at the next level if he continues to develop his potential. I'd like for him to stay also, but the world will not end if he leaves. While Williams may be the guy, he doesn't have much of a supporting cast. He may view that as just another reason to leave. I wish him the best in whatever decision he makes. Dumpster fire or not, I'll still be supporting the next recruit that takes his place.
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