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John Hall
Apr 1, 2020 13:04:42 GMT -6
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Post by stlscooter on Apr 1, 2020 13:04:42 GMT -6
Travis Branham (@travisbranham_) tweeted at 0:49 PM on Wed, Apr 01, 2020: Source: Evansville junior John Hall has entered the transfer portal. Averaged 6.0 points and 3.2 rebounds this season. Grad transfer.
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John Hall
Apr 1, 2020 13:17:51 GMT -6
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Post by wildbill on Apr 1, 2020 13:17:51 GMT -6
Not a loss. I just hope TL has some recruits to fill the spots. I don't think Hall will have a line of schools fighting to sign him. Good luck to him, but it's a chance for our staff to get a much better ballplayer for that scholarship.
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Post by E-Villan on Apr 1, 2020 13:20:17 GMT -6
I agree that it isn't a big loss, but it would be nice to hear something from TL or the university on recruiting, progress of the program, etc. Out of sight, out of mind isn't a good thing for a program that will be fighting to keep community interest.
It's not a positive when all the casual fan hears is players transferring. It sends the impression that rats are jumping off a sinking ship. We may know or feel differently, but we aren't the ones who may not show up next year.
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Post by aceshigh on Apr 1, 2020 13:43:37 GMT -6
I just read an article this morning that college basketball is changing forever from selecting HS players and building a program to just shuffling the deck chairs each year. Apparently it could get really bad for the mid majors and below if the ncaa passes a proposal to eliminate the transfer rules that require a RS year to become eligible to play.
Just imagine every year your best players moving up to better programs and others just moving on to get more playing time. Now program planning goes out the door and is replaced by plugging the leaks. No one knows who’s coming back next year which does little to improve fan base or community support. The P-5 conferences might become P-6 or P-7 and if you’re not on the inside you are left out. I foresee all of this being detrimental to the UE program.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 14:30:28 GMT -6
The only transfer rule that I know is under consideration by the NCAA is to allow players who transfer to gain immeadiate eligibilty is when the head coach leaves. My understanding is that is forthcoming, but not sure how soon. Kids have been transfering by the groves for years now...there has been some cases of mid-major kids moving on to power 5 but not many...and often times they didn't make that big of an impact. Generally, I have felt the mid-majors have benifted the most from kids moving on...my hope is Evasnville can idenity kids who can help them who want to transfer from another school.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 15:08:19 GMT -6
I agree that it isn't a big loss, but it would be nice to hear something from TL or the university on recruiting, progress of the program, etc. Out of sight, out of mind isn't a good thing for a program that will be fighting to keep community interest. It's not a positive when all the casual fan hears is players transferring. It sends the impression that rats are jumping off a sinking ship. We may know or feel differently, but we aren't the ones who may not show up next year. My guess is that we will start hearing some things very soon. Obviously, Coach Lick is now sorting out who is staying and who is leaving. The offers, I imagine are forthcoming.
I do agree, that the "casual fan" needs to be catered to more than us. We all know the coaches cannot name names when it comes to recruiting. But just a statment or two about what the staff is currently doing and what the goals are at this point...it does't have to be a lot.
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John Hall
Apr 1, 2020 15:45:18 GMT -6
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Post by aceshigh on Apr 1, 2020 15:45:18 GMT -6
Eligibility for transfers when the head coach leaves has been around a while they just required a waiver from the previous school. That’s what all the stink was about when Dru Smith went to Missouri. I’m probably wrong but I seem to remember that the ncaa wanted to drop penalties of sitting out for transfers. That’s what 90% of the article I read was about.
I agree we have benefited greatly from transfers in the past as most came from larger profile programs. However, using DeAndre as an example. If he were free to transfer without sitting out another year is there any incentive for him to stay? If Kevin Sampson at Houston calls or Rick Pitino at Iona. Speaking of Petino, I see he has offered to Bensley Joseph who UE was trying to recruit for a while.
Speaking of DeAndre I have seen mentioned here that he has a girlfriend on UE’s women’s team. I don’t know who she is but just yesterday I believe Makayla Wallace entered the transfer portal. I only mention this because she has posted a lot about DeAndre on Twitter. I really hope he is not considering doing the same whether there is any connection between these two. I’m all for personal happiness and I want the best for him.
If anyone has knowledge about future transfer rules that shows I’m wrong, I welcome it because I want to be proven wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 15:56:38 GMT -6
NCAA long ago stopped caring about the impact of a college program on a community or fan base. The fan base is relevant only as it applies to the TV contract and its revenue. The goal is to make the tournament a profitable venture, which suggests that making the strongest teams stronger is the objective. If the mid majors can compete, that's their boulder to push uphill.
This coming year, if there is one, won't resemble anything other than 40 or so glorified "teams" that will earn the "KenPom rankings" for the week. To that end, it might be of some value overall because the top programs will be less likely to be punished for losing to a mid major because they're already seeded in the top 40.
I think the NCAA moving forward is in great peril of turning top college ball into a wasteland that resembles the sort of fan bases that support NBA teams. You either are a fan or you don't care.
Middie programs might as well drop out and form their own division, and hope to get some decency from TV contracts. Eventually, that will be wrecked too.
As an Aces fan, I hope to make the tournament, maybe upset the No. 4 seed and run a second game well enough to hope they make the Sw. 16. If I ever get more than that, the NCAA will probably find a violation and give the trophy to one of the Big East teams that so richly deserve it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 16:05:19 GMT -6
I agree that it isn't a big loss, but it would be nice to hear something from TL or the university on recruiting, progress of the program, etc. Out of sight, out of mind isn't a good thing for a program that will be fighting to keep community interest. It's not a positive when all the casual fan hears is players transferring. It sends the impression that rats are jumping off a sinking ship. We may know or feel differently, but we aren't the ones who may not show up next year. I suspect a lot of middie programs around the country are tasting the same wine, which isn't intended to make this less of an issue. To that end, with this team, I think the fans are tolerant enough to know that the changes that are coming are too uncertain to evaluate. Image will matter early on. Going from the cellar to the ceiling isn't going to happen but seeing the prospects, I think the fans will buy into that. It's important for me: The price of a college basketball game ticket is a very good entertainment value.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2020 16:13:15 GMT -6
Not a loss. I just hope TL has some recruits to fill the spots. I don't think Hall will have a line of schools fighting to sign him. Good luck to him, but it's a chance for our staff to get a much better ballplayer for that scholarship. Hall can find a place where his degree will get him into grad school. All he needs to do is tell the coach he's available and they can scrounge around for a scholly for him. So it is more about Hall picking the school than the schools recruiting Hall. I suspect Lickliter knew early on he'd lose Art and Hall. He had to at least know their academic status.
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Post by acecard on Apr 2, 2020 10:01:37 GMT -6
Eligibility for transfers when the head coach leaves has been around a while they just required a waiver from the previous school. That’s what all the stink was about when Dru Smith went to Missouri. I’m probably wrong but I seem to remember that the ncaa wanted to drop penalties of sitting out for transfers. That’s what 90% of the article I read was about. I agree we have benefited greatly from transfers in the past as most came from larger profile programs. However, using DeAndre as an example. If he were free to transfer without sitting out another year is there any incentive for him to stay? If Kevin Sampson at Houston calls or Rick Pitino at Iona. Speaking of Petino, I see he has offered to Bensley Joseph who UE was trying to recruit for a while. Speaking of DeAndre I have seen mentioned here that he has a girlfriend on UE’s women’s team. I don’t know who she is but just yesterday I believe Makayla Wallace entered the transfer portal. I only mention this because she has posted a lot about DeAndre on Twitter. I really hope he is not considering doing the same whether there is any connection between these two. I’m all for personal happiness and I want the best for him. If anyone has knowledge about future transfer rules that shows I’m wrong, I welcome it because I want to be proven wrong. The only person I want to see transfer out of the ladies program is the coach.
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Post by ibleedpurple on Apr 2, 2020 19:48:59 GMT -6
Plus 100
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Post by ncace on Apr 2, 2020 20:22:41 GMT -6
Back to John Hall...
I could see John playing a year at a number of schools. He’s capable of giving a team 15-20 minutes of decent basketball. If I were a coach, I want the John Hall who played the first 20 games of ‘2018-19. Average 9 rbs. Per game, play decent D, and add size to the front line. I do NOT want the John Hall that dressed out for his last 40 games as an Ace. I do not need him to step out and shoot the 3. I hope he finds a place where he can get his masters. I honestly believe John was a potential 10-10 guy who was not coached to his potential.
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Post by mybigpurplebrain on Apr 2, 2020 21:24:04 GMT -6
Why didn’t he give the 15-20 minutes of decent basketball this year at all.
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Post by Tom Servo on Apr 3, 2020 6:51:53 GMT -6
Yeah - he just wasn't good enough to cut it at this level. He had that stretch last year for about 10 games where he looked like he would be good - then it's been terrible ever since.
Basically, we got about what you would expect. He was one of those desperation recruits I talked about in the other thread that Marty got after 2016. I think we signed him in June or July with maybe one other scholarship offer.
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