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Apr 27, 2022 15:58:54 GMT -6
Post by stennisrm72 on Apr 27, 2022 15:58:54 GMT -6
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_BarnesJust throwing this out here. What do you think of Ziggy bringing his coach from Bakersfield, Rod Barnes? He's 56 and has coached 25 years. Overall record is 357-360. Has 5 20 win seasons and has gone to the NCAA 4X and NIT 2X. Those 6 seasons he was 135-65 .675, his other 19 seasons he was 222-295 .429. Coached at Ole Miss for 8 years. I'm a hard pass also. Early success but not much recently.
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Post by evilleintentions on Apr 27, 2022 17:51:28 GMT -6
No
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Apr 27, 2022 19:57:00 GMT -6
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Post by evilleintentions on Apr 27, 2022 19:57:00 GMT -6
Coach Ray Harper would be a better choice than him.
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Apr 27, 2022 22:20:41 GMT -6
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Post by aceshigh on Apr 27, 2022 22:20:41 GMT -6
Nope
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Post by aces44 on Apr 28, 2022 0:21:28 GMT -6
Coach Ray Harper would be a better choice than him. Stop it! 🤣
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Apr 28, 2022 7:54:50 GMT -6
Post by ue0958 on Apr 28, 2022 7:54:50 GMT -6
First I assume that Ziggy is having some family time and working on arrangements to get his family out of their Bakersfield residence and positioned to move to Evansville at the appropriate time; but what lese could he be doing?
Could he be contacting potential head coaches and even going as far interviewing? (Just thinking out loud)
Now a question about his Bakersfield experience - does anyone know if he has a history of firing and hiring coaches while there?
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Apr 28, 2022 8:34:11 GMT -6
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Post by aceloverlarry on Apr 28, 2022 8:34:11 GMT -6
First I assume that Ziggy is having some family time and working on arrangements to get his family out of their Bakersfield residence and positioned to move to Evansville at the appropriate time; but what lese could he be doing? Could he be contacting potential head coaches and even going as far interviewing? (Just thinking out loud) Now a question about his Bakersfield experience - does anyone know if he has a history of firing and hiring coaches while there? Just did a quick look into that. Only checked one program at CSUB, but it looks like they had a very successful baseball coach when he was hired. The coach retired at the end of his first year. They hired from within, the program immediately regressed, and the coach was fired after one season. They named an interim for the next season, he had a strong season, was hired full time and has had limited success since then. I’m not sure what to think of that really. Looks like he doesn’t have a problem pulling the plug on coaches, which is good for our situation, but you would hope to see hiring evaluations that lead to a coach that lasts longer than 1 year. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cal_State_Bakersfield_Roadrunners_baseball#www.bakersfield.com/sports/csub-fires-baseball-coach-macaluso-beard-named-interim-coach/article_20eff2fe-8a9b-5d07-8ea6-f5c6ff2f4f3c.amp.html
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Apr 28, 2022 12:46:03 GMT -6
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Post by acescott on Apr 28, 2022 12:46:03 GMT -6
If AD Z is compelled to keep TL for whatever reasons, no buyout required, ongoing recruiting efforts, expectations of signed recruits, etc. then why not hire a new Associate H.C. replacing LB who would officially be learning the ropes to take over following season. If AD is convinced Jackson or Crone is that guy, fine, or bring in new blood and he could decide if he wants to keep Jackson and Crone as assistants the following year.. the new Associate HC must conduct the post game interviews and be out in the community with AD Z. It could be spun as kind of a known coaching change in waiting which could generate enough buzz to avoid a season ticket collapse. I personally still wouldn't mind that person being Mr. Wilson. Maybe TL calls it quits before MVC play and hands it over early.
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Apr 28, 2022 12:54:06 GMT -6
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Post by acescott on Apr 28, 2022 12:54:06 GMT -6
General comment. As time flies by for most matters in life, am I the only one who cannot fathom that the Aces were still playing basketball just last month?
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Post by Purp on Apr 28, 2022 13:27:07 GMT -6
If AD Z is compelled to keep TL for whatever reasons, no buyout required, ongoing recruiting efforts, expectations of signed recruits, etc. then why not hire a new Associate H.C. replacing LB who would officially be learning the ropes to take over following season. If AD is convinced Jackson or Crone is that guy, fine, or bring in new blood and he could decide if he wants to keep Jackson and Crone as assistants the following year.. the new Associate HC must conduct the post game interviews and be out in the community with AD Z. It could be spun as kind of a known coaching change in waiting which could generate enough buzz to avoid a season ticket collapse. I personally still wouldn't mind that person being Mr. Wilson. Maybe TL calls it quits before MVC play and hands it over early. I for one don't want a coach who wants to come in as an associate.
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Post by Aces> on Apr 28, 2022 13:36:10 GMT -6
If AD Z is compelled to keep TL for whatever reasons, no buyout required, ongoing recruiting efforts, expectations of signed recruits, etc. then why not hire a new Associate H.C. replacing LB who would officially be learning the ropes to take over following season. If AD is convinced Jackson or Crone is that guy, fine, or bring in new blood and he could decide if he wants to keep Jackson and Crone as assistants the following year.. the new Associate HC must conduct the post game interviews and be out in the community with AD Z. It could be spun as kind of a known coaching change in waiting which could generate enough buzz to avoid a season ticket collapse. I personally still wouldn't mind that person being Mr. Wilson. Maybe TL calls it quits before MVC play and hands it over early. TL hires his staff. It’s his call, not the AD.
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Apr 28, 2022 14:08:13 GMT -6
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Post by aceloverlarry on Apr 28, 2022 14:08:13 GMT -6
If AD Z is compelled to keep TL for whatever reasons, no buyout required, ongoing recruiting efforts, expectations of signed recruits, etc. then why not hire a new Associate H.C. replacing LB who would officially be learning the ropes to take over following season. If AD is convinced Jackson or Crone is that guy, fine, or bring in new blood and he could decide if he wants to keep Jackson and Crone as assistants the following year.. the new Associate HC must conduct the post game interviews and be out in the community with AD Z. It could be spun as kind of a known coaching change in waiting which could generate enough buzz to avoid a season ticket collapse. I personally still wouldn't mind that person being Mr. Wilson. Maybe TL calls it quits before MVC play and hands it over early. No one on staff currently is even remotely qualified to be our next head coach. The assistants lack of recruiting success and coaching capabilities is just as big of an issue as TL. Only way TL agrees to a “coach in waiting” succession plan is if it’s one of his guys. I personally want our future to be as far away as possible from his guys. You do raise a good point about how it’s almost May, Logans departure has been known for over a month, and TL STILL doesn’t have a third assistant. I would think you would want as much recruiting help as possible when your job is on the line and it’s peak transfer portal season, but I guess he doesn’t see the need to replace Logan quickly.
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Post by aces44 on Apr 28, 2022 14:29:14 GMT -6
If AD Z is compelled to keep TL for whatever reasons, no buyout required, ongoing recruiting efforts, expectations of signed recruits, etc. then why not hire a new Associate H.C. replacing LB who would officially be learning the ropes to take over following season. If AD is convinced Jackson or Crone is that guy, fine, or bring in new blood and he could decide if he wants to keep Jackson and Crone as assistants the following year.. the new Associate HC must conduct the post game interviews and be out in the community with AD Z. It could be spun as kind of a known coaching change in waiting which could generate enough buzz to avoid a season ticket collapse. I personally still wouldn't mind that person being Mr. Wilson. Maybe TL calls it quits before MVC play and hands it over early. No one on staff currently is even remotely qualified to be our next head coach. The assistants lack of recruiting success and coaching capabilities is just as big of an issue as TL. Only way TL agrees to a “coach in waiting” succession plan is if it’s one of his guys. I personally want our future to be as far away as possible from his guys. You do raise a good point about how it’s almost May, Logans departure has been known for over a month, and TL STILL doesn’t have a third assistant. I would think you would want as much recruiting help as possible when your job is on the line and it’s peak transfer portal season, but I guess he doesn’t see the need to replace Logan quickly. You could make a legit argument at this point that Lick is deliberately sabotaging the program so that it never is back to the level of beating Butler again. His actions, or lack thereof, have been so catastrophic that it’s easier to argue for this than him actually having the best interest of the program in mind I wish I was joking, and it sounds ridiculous at first glance; but try to make the argument for both sides and see how close it truly is.
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Post by E-Villan on Apr 28, 2022 14:53:31 GMT -6
I can see the argument you are making...frightingly so in fact. I just can't grab a motive for it? What could possibly be in it for him to do such a thing?
The good news is that how this program proceeds is no longer up to Lickliter or Spencer. I agree with the others that say absolutely no on the "Coach in Waiting"
We need a total reset, and a break from this Butler Way.
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Apr 28, 2022 14:59:46 GMT -6
Post by ncace on Apr 28, 2022 14:59:46 GMT -6
IMHO, TL is not trying to scuttle the program. And yes, Crone and Jackson are his guys. In fact, I think if Logan had stayed, they would have left. Logan’s strong desire to make a statement was good on one level. The program needed SOMEONE with some aggressiveness and drive, but I can see how his style wouldn’t sit well with the “Butler way” guys.
Meanwhile the asst. job remains vacant. Maybe Lick has been told not to fill it until he’s had evaluation by Ziggy. If he stays next year, maybe Noah becomes the new asst. Even though we need a stud recruiter, if Lick stays, the new asst. may well be chosen based on loyalty to TL, rather than recruiting/coaching expertise.
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