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Post by purplestrong on Jan 23, 2020 13:01:04 GMT -6
Why would you think that? Just a gut feeling. I sincerely hope I'm wrong. Would Williams be eligible next December or January at another school if he transferred, or did he play long enough this year to not be eligible that soon?
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Post by Aces&Eights on Jan 23, 2020 13:13:53 GMT -6
[Would Williams be eligible next December or January at another school if he transferred, or did he play long enough this year to not be eligible that soon? I would think he would have to sit out the full season as he is enrolled in classes for the 2nd semester.
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Post by theaceofspades on Jan 23, 2020 13:34:14 GMT -6
This seems like a safe, comfortable hire that was made in panic and as a result of a dire situation.
Sure, Lickliter will improve the culture and provide some stability during a tumultuous time after McCarty embarrassed the program.
However, bigger picture, I'm not sure how a 64 year old coach who flamed out at Iowa, was bad at Marian, and recently stepped down this offseason due to health issues is really going to help this program improve.
The program should've conducted a national head coaching search. If after that, Lickliter is the guy, fine, but why limit your options? (and I think Graves would've been the better long-term coaching prospect of the two).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 13:41:06 GMT -6
The program should've conducted a national head coaching search. If after that, Lickliter is the guy, fine, but why limit your options? (and I think Graves would've been the better long-term coaching prospect of the two). You can't do a nationwide search for a coach hoping to get one who isn't already under contract. It's against the rules. All you will find is an unemployed coach. You can start such a search in March or April, but you can't in January. There are rules against calling coaches who are under contract, and none of them would agree to the interview anyhow. It's conflict of interest on a major scale. Even if the coach initiates the call, it's tampering.
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Post by theaceofspades on Jan 23, 2020 13:44:43 GMT -6
The program should've conducted a national head coaching search. If after that, Lickliter is the guy, fine, but why limit your options? (and I think Graves would've been the better long-term coaching prospect of the two). You can't do a nationwide search for a coach hoping to get one who isn't already under contract. It's against the rules. All you will find is an unemployed coach. You can start such a search in March or April, but you can't in January. There are rules against calling coaches who are under contract, and none of them would agree to the interview anyhow. It's conflict of interest on a major scale. Even if the coach initiates the call, it's tampering. I know. They should've just done one at season's end. This season is what it is. Lickliter doesn't have enough time in-season to make any meaningful changes regardless, and the team's season hopes rest on a strong Arch Madness showing. They need to find a long-term answer to build a foundation for this program, not a band-aid.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 14:05:49 GMT -6
You can't do a nationwide search for a coach hoping to get one who isn't already under contract. It's against the rules. All you will find is an unemployed coach. You can start such a search in March or April, but you can't in January. There are rules against calling coaches who are under contract, and none of them would agree to the interview anyhow. It's conflict of interest on a major scale. Even if the coach initiates the call, it's tampering. I know. They should've just done one at season's end. This season is what it is. Lickliter doesn't have enough time in-season to make any meaningful changes regardless, and the team's season hopes rest on a strong Arch Madness showing. They need to find a long-term answer to build a foundation for this program, not a band-aid. Meh, you're wobbling around on this one. You would have had Bennie or one of the assistants to finish out the year. Who cares at this point? UE evidently believes Lickliter is good enough. That's up for discussion. But cut back on the 'nationwide' search as you've presented it. You aren't allowed to go pirating coaches away from other programs in midseason -- or any time if they are under contract, unless the school releases them for an interview. Most assistants would get that waiver.
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Post by aceshigh on Jan 23, 2020 14:12:22 GMT -6
This seems like a safe, comfortable hire that was made in panic and as a result of a dire situation. Sure, Lickliter will improve the culture and provide some stability during a tumultuous time after McCarty embarrassed the program. However, bigger picture, I'm not sure how a 64 year old coach who flamed out at Iowa, was bad at Marian, and recently stepped down this offseason due to health issues is really going to help this program improve. The program should've conducted a national head coaching search. If after that, Lickliter is the guy, fine, but why limit your options? (and I think Graves would've been the better long-term coaching prospect of the two). I take offense in your reference to Lickliter’s age of 64. There are many top level coaches out there who are in their 60s and older. We have a President who is 73 and the top Democrats running are in their upper 70s. You need to get over your age discrimination. As for TL’s health issues, it was documented that he fell off a ladder at his home and suffered a severe concussion. He said he didn’t feel he could do justice to the team and other coaches unless he was fully recovered from the injury. He now states that he is, so that should be the end of this story. At Iowa TL assumed someone else’s recruits. Maybe they weren’t right for his coaching style or maybe it was something else, but for an $8 million multi-year contract apparently the Iowa Administration thought he was right for the job. His record was not that good but was he given the chance to succeed. The Marian job shouldn’t even be discussed here. Although I seem to remember reading somewhere that under TL Marian won the most conference games ever or something like that. As far as a national coaching search, UE just completed one of those less than two years ago. They had a pretty good idea of the type of candidates UE could attract and afford. Absence of TL being available that would have been the right choice but even at that there is still no guarantee of hiring a successful candidate. Todd Lickliter’s record still Butler should speak for itself. Before he was Butler’s HC he assisted under some very accomplished head coaches. We must not forget he was the one who hired Brad Stevens. Let’s not degrade Coach Lickliter’s coaching ability until he has had a chance to perform. After all his first game as coach was less than 24 hours after he was hired for a team that was underperforming and missing its best player.
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Post by aceschamps6571 on Jan 23, 2020 14:19:54 GMT -6
Outstanding post aceshigh. This Aces fan agrees with you.
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Post by aceslfer on Jan 23, 2020 14:24:02 GMT -6
From a players viewpoint, I would argue that naming a permanent coach immediately would be beneficial to them in making a decision for 2020-2021 season. AS FANS, WE HAVE no say in whom UE selects, only personal opinions which NO weight at all, for this we have selfish reasons only. We can assume already by the commits to UE that we would be losing possibly 2 players in addition to Riley already. If the commits were ONLY on a relationship with the head coach(which we do not know for sure) then we may lose them. If the commits were on the University and educational possibilities then we may retain them. Rather than wait for a 2-3 month search, say into June, would that be fair to them as well would it be fair to our remaining players. I say no, it is not. TL may have been an easy hire at this time, only to get us through a transition. All players on this rostor most likely were familiar with TL, perhaps not Alexander or Curtis. This gives them time to the end of the season to determine their intentions for 2020-2021. Fair. Will we lose some of this roster, SURE, perhaps that would only open opportunities for us to recruit others. CREWS always stated "to get better" you have "to recruit better players. Based on our recent performances, most on here are "silently screaming" for better players. In the long run this will play itself out. Retaining the current staff and bringing TL back may keep UE "in the loop" with all the players we are currently pursuing for the next 2-3 years. I always cringe when I hear a player say "I'm here because of the coach". Beware of you IDOLIZE,
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Post by bballjunkie on Jan 23, 2020 15:22:55 GMT -6
This seems like a safe, comfortable hire that was made in panic and as a result of a dire situation. Sure, Lickliter will improve the culture and provide some stability during a tumultuous time after McCarty embarrassed the program. However, bigger picture, I'm not sure how a 64 year old coach who flamed out at Iowa, was bad at Marian, and recently stepped down this offseason due to health issues is really going to help this program improve. The program should've conducted a national head coaching search. If after that, Lickliter is the guy, fine, but why limit your options? (and I think Graves would've been the better long-term coaching prospect of the two). I take offense in your reference to Lickliter’s age of 64. There are many top level coaches out there who are in their 60s and older. We have a President who is 73 and the top Democrats running are in their upper 70s. You need to get over your age discrimination. As for TL’s health issues, it was documented that he fell off a ladder at his home and suffered a severe concussion. He said he didn’t feel he could do justice to the team and other coaches unless he was fully recovered from the injury. He now states that he is, so that should be the end of this story. At Iowa TL assumed someone else’s recruits. Maybe they weren’t right for his coaching style or maybe it was something else, but for an $8 million multi-year contract apparently the Iowa Administration thought he was right for the job. His record was not that good but was he given the chance to succeed. The Marian job shouldn’t even be discussed here. Although I seem to remember reading somewhere that under TL Marian won the most conference games ever or something like that. As far as a national coaching search, UE just completed one of those less than two years ago. They had a pretty good idea of the type of candidates UE could attract and afford. Absence of TL being available that would have been the right choice but even at that there is still no guarantee of hiring a successful candidate. Todd Lickliter’s record still Butler should speak for itself. Before he was Butler’s HC he assisted under some very accomplished head coaches. We must not forget he was the one who hired Brad Stevens. Let’s not degrade Coach Lickliter’s coaching ability until he has had a chance to perform. After all his first game as coach was less than 24 hours after he was hired for a team that was underperforming and missing its best player. I agree and have stated as such!!
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Post by acepurple84 on Jan 23, 2020 17:00:00 GMT -6
I take offense in your reference to Lickliter’s age of 64. There are many top level coaches out there who are in their 60s and older. We have a President who is 73 and the top Democrats running are in their upper 70s. You need to get over your age discrimination. As for TL’s health issues, it was documented that he fell off a ladder at his home and suffered a severe concussion. He said he didn’t feel he could do justice to the team and other coaches unless he was fully recovered from the injury. He now states that he is, so that should be the end of this story. At Iowa TL assumed someone else’s recruits. Maybe they weren’t right for his coaching style or maybe it was something else, but for an $8 million multi-year contract apparently the Iowa Administration thought he was right for the job. His record was not that good but was he given the chance to succeed. The Marian job shouldn’t even be discussed here. Although I seem to remember reading somewhere that under TL Marian won the most conference games ever or something like that. As far as a national coaching search, UE just completed one of those less than two years ago. They had a pretty good idea of the type of candidates UE could attract and afford. Absence of TL being available that would have been the right choice but even at that there is still no guarantee of hiring a successful candidate. Todd Lickliter’s record still Butler should speak for itself. Before he was Butler’s HC he assisted under some very accomplished head coaches. We must not forget he was the one who hired Brad Stevens. Let’s not degrade Coach Lickliter’s coaching ability until he has had a chance to perform. After all his first game as coach was less than 24 hours after he was hired for a team that was underperforming and missing its best player. I agree and have stated as such!! I totally agree with you also. He is a good pick. In the process of sending President P. such.
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Post by aradace on Jan 23, 2020 17:35:53 GMT -6
I agree and have stated as such!! I totally agree with you also. He is a good pick. In the process of sending President P. such. I agree. Just hope he can teach our guys how to cut to the basket and get away from the 3 point line. Question? Is our one big man (Peace) suck that bad? Why not give him playing time now with hope of improving for next year, this year is history and as far as I am concerned the AD owes me half of my season tickets back.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2020 17:41:12 GMT -6
People who are involved in NCAA sports know who is likely to be available in April and what they will want for a contract. There seems to be this rush to "national search" for a coach, as if one of them will mysteriously emerge when their team is eliminated from all post-season play.
UE was in a tough spot. You want stability from a coach with some expertise. You ask Lickliter, who says 'sure, I will come there but I want a contract.' So UE says, 'sorry, no contract,' and TL says, 'well, good luck then.' UE thinks it over and wonders, do we go with Bennie the rest of the way? Yes? No? What's Bennie say? Bennie maybe said something about, 'sure, I will do it if you give me a contract.'
And so it goes.
You can't just go plucking head coaches off the vine. They have to be people who will show up that day, not in April.
Bennie was being asked to coach as an interim while Walt was still on the payroll. When Walt was scrapped, Bennie suddenly realized he had a little more to work with. "Interim" is OK but the pay is for "head coach."
You just gotta get past this 'national search' meme. You can't do that in January unless all the top people are out of work and would love to come to UE to get their brains bashed in for 18 games.
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Post by stlscooter on Jan 23, 2020 18:06:10 GMT -6
Jevin Redman just said on 106.7, that TL received WM's contract...4 years remaining after this season. He said that Spencer called a meeting Tuesday night to introduce the players to their new head coach. When the players saw TL they went crazy. He said that there was no truth in the rumor that TL left because of any situation around the team. He only left to rehab an accident. TL spoke to the Aces before the IUPUI game in Indy.
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Post by gaace on Jan 23, 2020 18:23:55 GMT -6
Jevin Redman just said on 106.7, that TL received WM's contract...4 years remaining after this season. He said that Spencer called a meeting Tuesday night to introduce the players to their new head coach. When the players saw TL they went crazy. He said that there was no truth in the rumor that TL left because of any situation around the team. He only left to rehab an accident. TL spoke to the Aces before the IUPUI game in Indy. Glad to know Jevin put that information out. It should put to bed the “Lickliter left because of Walter’s behavior” conspiracy theory.
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