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Post by E-Villan on Dec 27, 2019 23:28:28 GMT -6
I obviously don’t know the details of the situation going on with you guys, but I’ve never had a bad experience with an Aces fan and as such, I want you all to know that this Racer fan wishes you guys the best in this tough situation. Keep your heads up. This too shall pass, and I look forward to watching your program get back on track. Thanks Racer. You guys have definitely become our biggest non-con rivalry. We should be in the same conference, but until then, I would love to see a home and home every year.
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Post by goacesgo on Dec 28, 2019 5:38:22 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there if the players were aware of this, could it be the reason for the erratic play at times this year? Assuming McCarty is eventually canned, I think a lot of the repercussions will depend on how the season ends, say coach seltzer rallies the troops and they have a great year. That would be the best outcome I believe.
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Post by aces12 on Dec 28, 2019 7:08:20 GMT -6
Alright after a nights sleep on this. With the University being private and does not have to disclose of information. If Walter believed he was wrong wouldn’t he just resign? Would UE just accept resignation and move on? Is Walter actually fighting for something more than a job? I know what the rumors are just trying to see both sides.
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Post by youngacesfan on Dec 28, 2019 7:28:51 GMT -6
Alright after a nights sleep on this. With the University being private and does not have to disclose of information. If Walter believed he was wrong wouldn’t he just resign? Would UE just accept resignation and move on? Is Walter actually fighting for something more than a job? I know what the rumors are just trying to see both sides. My personal belief is that he has to fight this. If he loses his job his coaching career is over, so he's gonna do whatever he has to do to keep his job
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Post by okie on Dec 28, 2019 7:44:55 GMT -6
Just throwing this out there if the players were aware of this, could it be the reason for the erratic play at times this year? This is exactly what I thought. Evansville is a small campus, I'm sure many people knew about whatever was happening. It also make me wonder if this is the reason Lickliter and Graves left right before the trip to Europe. On the bright side, we still have Deandre, Sam, Art, KJ, John Hall, Shamar, Noah, Evan, Jawaun, Marcus, Peace, Thomasi, Devan, and Gage. Let's hope this great group of players respond to Bennie Seltzer and roll through the Valley. I'm through worrying about what happened and what might happen. I'm excited about conference play and will support the team. Happy New Year...
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Post by generalzod1991 on Dec 28, 2019 9:25:34 GMT -6
First things first: Thanks for getting us a new forum so quickly. Needless to say, it's a grim mood this morning.
I'll essentially post what I've posted elsewhere: If this program has had a worse day since the plane crash, I don't know what it is.
Assuming our worst fears are going to be realized and McCarty engaged in this behavior, then it's an absolutely staggering betrayal. Of the University. Of the fans. Of his players. Of the students. And of the alumni base (myself included). Why even take the job if this is what you're going to do? Mark Spencer is likely going to pay with his job as well. And we haven't even talked about the potential legal liability UE could be looking at -- especially if this behavior was known and they looked the other way for a year.
And I know some here have cited other schools who have ridden out athletic scandal and thrived again: Baylor, Penn State, SMU, Iowa State, Memphis, etc. But UE isn't a large school with deep pockets like those schools. Men's basketball is the only revenue sport that they have. And if that program is at risk, so is everything else. Whatever McCarty did, I sure hope he thought it worth it given the price we're about to pay.
I'm still shocked and demoralized this morning. This is a real punch to the gut.
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Post by castle69 on Dec 28, 2019 9:25:35 GMT -6
Based on the following Courier article, the idea re: Lickliter & Graves doesn't seem to hold weight. Graves in particular taking the job @ Xavier is a step in the right direction after a dismal experience/record @ S. AL & UE.
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Post by Aces&Eights on Dec 28, 2019 9:26:46 GMT -6
Based on the following Courier article, the idea re: Lickliter & Graves doesn't seem to hold weight. Graves in particular taking the job @ Xavier is a step in the right direction after a dismal experience/record @ S. AL & UE. Lickliter had a serious medical problem this past summer and retired.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2019 9:30:18 GMT -6
Not sure why Pafan shut the other board down. We need to support the players since they did nothing wrong and need to show recruits the program is still on the rise. We need these guys to play great, listen to the coaches in place, play hard, and maybe show that our coaches are already in place. If not, the program needs to act quick, interview ASAP, and get a solid staff in place to keep these players and hopefully encourage the recruits to stay committed. Pafan was clear about why he shut it down. I respect his reasoning. But E-Villan is the perfect person to carry it forward. McCarty's sky may be falling but ours isn't. The program is bigger than Marty and bigger than McCarty. In fact, depending upon how the players respond, the silver lining may be that the Aces receive more national attention when they rise from adversity to be conference champions.
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Post by castle69 on Dec 28, 2019 10:03:54 GMT -6
I agree...Seltzer may be exactly what the Dr. ordered. Funny how "brokeness" can positively impact subsequent development!
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Post by E-Villan on Dec 28, 2019 10:12:18 GMT -6
First things first: Thanks for getting us a new forum so quickly. Needless to say, it's a grim mood this morning. I'll essentially post what I've posted elsewhere: If this program has had a worse day since the plane crash, I don't know what it is. Assuming our worst fears are going to be realized and McCarty engaged in this behavior, then it's an absolutely staggering betrayal. Of the University. Of the fans. Of his players. Of the students. And of the alumni base (myself included). Why even take the job if this is what you're going to do? Mark Spencer is likely going to pay with his job as well. And we haven't even talked about the potential legal liability UE could be looking at -- especially if this behavior was known and they looked the other way for a year. And I know some here have cited other schools who have ridden out athletic scandal and thrived again: Baylor, Penn State, SMU, Iowa State, Memphis, etc. But UE isn't a large school with deep pockets like those schools. Men's basketball is the only revenue sport that they have. And if that program is at risk, so is everything else. Whatever McCarty did, I sure hope he thought it worth it given the price we're about to pay. I'm still shocked and demoralized this morning. This is a real punch to the gut. I think we are all shocked and demoralized. I am trying my hardest not to think about a post-McCarty situation at this point. Considering the 5 stages of grieving, I am still in the denial stage. I do feel the anger stage trying to creep in, and as you said, if the allegations are true, then yes, staggering betrayal. Should there be fire, and we are in a post-McCarty situation, my biggest concern is this. Simmons was retained well past what his performance dictated because some well-heeled boosters liked that he played by the rules, and graduated players. That was the only defense anyone had for him during the last few seasons. Could that mindset take hold in the wake of this, and we get a "safe" pick and another decade of mediocrity?
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Post by Aces&Eights on Dec 28, 2019 11:12:37 GMT -6
Should there be fire, and we are in a post-McCarty situation, my biggest concern is this. Simmons was retained well past what his performance dictated because some well-heeled boosters liked that he played by the rules, and graduated players. That was the only defense anyone had for him during the last few seasons. Could that mindset take hold in the wake of this, and we get a "safe" pick and another decade of mediocrity? I think President P's and his wife's backgrounds as sport referees puts this administration above previous administration as far as supporting sports.
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Post by E-Villan on Dec 28, 2019 11:24:24 GMT -6
I think President P's and his wife's backgrounds as sport referees puts this administration above previous administration as far as supporting sports. Agree. I think it has been proven this community will still support a successful basketball program. That wasn't so evident 2 years ago.
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Post by aceshigh on Dec 28, 2019 12:37:17 GMT -6
Whatever happened is done and everyone should move forward. While our first reactions are the grieving steps, the sooner you let go of these the better off you will be.
UE is not the only employer to have issues such as this to deal with. I have personally seen occurrences like this at the highest levels of my previous three jobs. Actions were taken and people soon forgot.
Currently I feel most sorry for the ACES team members. Most, if not all, have never experienced anything like this and I’m sure they are confused about what to do. I’m hoping they all make the right decisions and my advice is to continue their education at UE.
Whether McCarty stays at UE or moves on we will survive and tomorrow will be a new day. Right now I am anxiously awaiting next Tuesday’s game with Missouri St. GO ACES!
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Post by purplestrong on Dec 28, 2019 12:51:57 GMT -6
Very concerned about the effect on recruits in the pipeline. The sooner this is resolved one way or another,the better.
Walter will probably fight this for reasons already stated, and negotiating a stronger buyout position for getting out of current contract.
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