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Post by aces44 on Apr 5, 2024 19:03:07 GMT -6
I don’t know $2M/yr for 6 yrs vs maybe $750k (idk what they could get him to in TH and still have any left for NIL)
That’s a big jump in $$$
I don’t like the A10 arrogance any more than anyone else, but that is Guaranteed $$$. Add that with not knowing who your boss or Boss’s boss will be and I don’t fault him at all. That may actually be a bigger issue here. Think about how average their season would have been if Kent is out 2 weeks instead of one and Swope has to have surgery immediately instead of after the season. He doesn’t get that offer and who knows if he ever has a great season in the MVC again. These things are fickle and he doesn’t have a great record in Championship Games…
SLU is clearly aiming for the Big East and this is a good way for them to publicly lobby for that.
Bottom line: small midwestern towns don’t have the same $$ that Large Midwestern Cities do
Could he have said that he signed the MOU already: sure, but he was trying to win the Tournament so prob didn’t want any excuses/distractions for his players
I say so long and thanks for all the fish.
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Post by ATP on Apr 5, 2024 19:42:19 GMT -6
ATP, Is THIS Doyel related to the 70's SB Tribune Sportswriter, Joe Doyel? My 1st yr roomie @ ISU lived NEXTDOOR and had all kinds of neat ND FB/BB stories...
Indy Star's latest:
No idea.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Apr 6, 2024 6:59:07 GMT -6
I don’t know $2M/yr for 6 yrs vs maybe $750k (idk what they could get him to in TH and still have any left for NIL) That’s a big jump in $$$ I don’t like the A10 arrogance any more than anyone else, but that is Guaranteed $$$. Add that with not knowing who your boss or Boss’s boss will be and I don’t fault him at all. That may actually be a bigger issue here. Think about how average their season would have been if Kent is out 2 weeks instead of one and Swope has to have surgery immediately instead of after the season. He doesn’t get that offer and who knows if he ever has a great season in the MVC again. These things are fickle and he doesn’t have a great record in Championship Games… SLU is clearly aiming for the Big East and this is a good way for them to publicly lobby for that. Bottom line: small midwestern towns don’t have the same $$ that Large Midwestern Cities do Could he have said that he signed the MOU already: sure, but he was trying to win the Tournament so prob didn’t want any excuses/distractions for his players I say so long and thanks for all the fish. I agree. No reason to be upset with him. The only shocking and outrageous thing in the last 48 hours was his coaching in the final minutes of the NIT championship. If you’re surprised by anything else, you’ve been willfully living with your head in the sand for the last month. Everyone knew he was leaving. I’m not sure how ISU fans expected him to handle it? They could never compete with SLU financially, it never made sense for him to stay at ISU, and if he came out and publicly said he was leaving when the deal was done 3 weeks ago, they would’ve probably booed him off the court at an NIT home game. Instead, he opted for Coach speak and being non committal on the issue while him and his team stayed committed to ISU to give them a memorable run to the NIT championship. That run may have still happened if he was open about his intentions, but it definitely would not have had the same reaction from fans imo. Everyone in Terre Haute is crying over sour grapes imo, and if there’s someone to direct your outrage at, direct it at your university president for ousting your AD for no reason right before he was about to have to make a critical effort to retain Schertz or a critical hire to replace him. Now their options seem to be promote Matt Graves from within (terrible previous HC record), or wait until a new President and maybe even a new AD are selected and then hire your coach. Neither of those options are good, and the latter almost nearly guarantees you finish last place next year because you don’t start filling your roster until May or maybe even June.
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Post by aces44 on Apr 6, 2024 7:15:18 GMT -6
I don’t know $2M/yr for 6 yrs vs maybe $750k (idk what they could get him to in TH and still have any left for NIL) That’s a big jump in $$$ I don’t like the A10 arrogance any more than anyone else, but that is Guaranteed $$$. Add that with not knowing who your boss or Boss’s boss will be and I don’t fault him at all. That may actually be a bigger issue here. Think about how average their season would have been if Kent is out 2 weeks instead of one and Swope has to have surgery immediately instead of after the season. He doesn’t get that offer and who knows if he ever has a great season in the MVC again. These things are fickle and he doesn’t have a great record in Championship Games… SLU is clearly aiming for the Big East and this is a good way for them to publicly lobby for that. Bottom line: small midwestern towns don’t have the same $$ that Large Midwestern Cities do Could he have said that he signed the MOU already: sure, but he was trying to win the Tournament so prob didn’t want any excuses/distractions for his players I say so long and thanks for all the fish. I agree. No reason to be upset with him. The only shocking and outrageous thing in the last 48 hours was his coaching in the final minutes of the NIT championship. If you’re surprised by anything else, you’ve been willfully living with your head in the sand for the last month. Everyone knew he was leaving. I’m not sure how ISU fans expected him to handle it? They could never compete with SLU financially, it never made sense for him to stay at ISU, and if he came out and publicly said he was leaving when the deal was done 3 weeks ago, they would’ve probably booed him off the court at an NIT home game. Instead, he opted for Coach speak and being non committal on the issue while him and his team stayed committed to ISU to give them a memorable run to the NIT championship. That run may have still happened if he was open about his intentions, but it definitely would not have had the same reaction from fans imo. Everyone in Terre Haute is crying over sour grapes imo, and if there’s someone to direct your outrage at, direct it at your university president for ousting your AD for no reason right before he was about to have to make a critical effort to retain Schertz or a critical hire to replace him. Now their options seem to be promote Matt Graves from within (terrible previous HC record), or wait until a new President and maybe even a new AD are selected and then hire your coach. Neither of those options are good, and the latter almost nearly guarantees you finish last place next year because you don’t start filling your roster until May or maybe even June. 100%
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Post by ad1770 on Apr 6, 2024 7:26:19 GMT -6
I don’t know $2M/yr for 6 yrs vs maybe $750k (idk what they could get him to in TH and still have any left for NIL) That’s a big jump in $$$ I don’t like the A10 arrogance any more than anyone else, but that is Guaranteed $$$. Add that with not knowing who your boss or Boss’s boss will be and I don’t fault him at all. That may actually be a bigger issue here. Think about how average their season would have been if Kent is out 2 weeks instead of one and Swope has to have surgery immediately instead of after the season. He doesn’t get that offer and who knows if he ever has a great season in the MVC again. These things are fickle and he doesn’t have a great record in Championship Games… SLU is clearly aiming for the Big East and this is a good way for them to publicly lobby for that. Bottom line: small midwestern towns don’t have the same $$ that Large Midwestern Cities do Could he have said that he signed the MOU already: sure, but he was trying to win the Tournament so prob didn’t want any excuses/distractions for his players I say so long and thanks for all the fish. I agree. No reason to be upset with him. The only shocking and outrageous thing in the last 48 hours was his coaching in the final minutes of the NIT championship. If you’re surprised by anything else, you’ve been willfully living with your head in the sand for the last month. Everyone knew he was leaving. I’m not sure how ISU fans expected him to handle it? They could never compete with SLU financially, it never made sense for him to stay at ISU, and if he came out and publicly said he was leaving when the deal was done 3 weeks ago, they would’ve probably booed him off the court at an NIT home game. Instead, he opted for Coach speak and being non committal on the issue while him and his team stayed committed to ISU to give them a memorable run to the NIT championship. That run may have still happened if he was open about his intentions, but it definitely would not have had the same reaction from fans imo. Everyone in Terre Haute is crying over sour grapes imo, and if there’s someone to direct your outrage at, direct it at your university president for ousting your AD for no reason right before he was about to have to make a critical effort to retain Schertz or a critical hire to replace him. Now their options seem to be promote Matt Graves from within (terrible previous HC record), or wait until a new President and maybe even a new AD are selected and then hire your coach. Neither of those options are good, and the latter almost nearly guarantees you finish last place next year because you don’t start filling your roster until May or maybe even June. From my understanding on it, most ISU fans aren’t upset that he is leaving. I believe most of them thought he would, as he had no ties to TH, and probably knew nothing about them until he interviewed for the job. Hell, I was saying at the beginning of the season that he was gone after this year, and ISU fans should enjoy the ride. But, back to the original thought, ISU fans are upset that he laid out a “list of demands” to stay as the coach, and even though those demands were either met or exceeded, including his pay from what I understand on it, he opted to leave (worst kept secret ever as he still hasn’t announced), and left the fans twisting in the wind on this. I won’t argue if it was right or wrong, as it is free market, but that is a little something that is dirty (if true, and I tend to believe it)
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Post by paradeuce on Apr 6, 2024 10:08:41 GMT -6
gosycamores.com/news/2024/4/6/matthew-graves-announced-as-interim-mens-basketball-head-coach.aspxAgree 100% re: Graves 5-yr under .500 track record @ S. AL. Like former ISU HC Kevin McKenna (who joined his Creighton chum Altman in Oregon as an Asst AGAIN), some people are more cut for the AC role. If anything, Grave's may still opt to join Schertz in Billiken Land. ISU has 3 signed recruits, judgement out on "2 of the three." 6'7" kid from MI is the exception.Will Schertz also take him?
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Post by indymoon on Apr 6, 2024 10:49:52 GMT -6
Timing! Wasn’t his deal with SLU done soon after the regular season? And when did ISU agree to increase his salary and other demands?
Also, fans need to realize that coaches have limited opportunities to move up.One down season and the genius becomes a bum.
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Post by ATP on Apr 6, 2024 11:36:54 GMT -6
Sick State has had a couple of chances to get a bit of glory, if you count their baseball success. Those moments are what they are and won't be replicated. They can now join Loyola, Florida Atlantic, St. Peters, even Valpo in almost winning something. Schertz achieved what he wanted to achieve -- proved to himself that he could create a buzz wherever he goes. If he really is capable of that, SLU isn't likely to be kicked to the curb if it goes into post-season with 28 wins.
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Post by stennisrm72 on Apr 6, 2024 11:39:20 GMT -6
Many have stated Schertz is making a lateral move in terms of the level of conference. From the financial perspective it is not. Additionally, if he were to get fired in a couple, or more, seasons then he shouldn't have to work again in his life, not that he wouldn't coach again. Counzo Martin is a good case study. Two big money P5 jobs after Mo. State and now back there for considerably less money. Work if you want but you don't have to. Making the move to SLU, to me, is a no brainer.
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Post by paradeuce on Apr 6, 2024 14:10:45 GMT -6
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Post by aceloverlarry on Apr 6, 2024 14:14:21 GMT -6
I would take everything the ISU fans are saying about the “list of demands” worth a grain of salt. He never once publicly demanded anything, so no one knows what was discussed between him and their admin. They also claim one of his demands was a $1M+ salary to make him the highest paid in the league and that they had secured the money for it. That didn’t happen so I highly doubt they did everything they’re saying they did. The millions in NIL probably doesn’t exist either.
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Post by indymoon on Apr 6, 2024 14:40:33 GMT -6
Who’s the ISU AD? There’s so much uncertainty in TH; another big reason for him to leave.
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Post by stlscooter on Apr 6, 2024 14:41:52 GMT -6
Who’s the ISU AD? There’s so much uncertainty in TH; another big reason for him to leave. Angie LANSING
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Post by indymoon on Apr 6, 2024 14:45:06 GMT -6
1 year of success and ISU fans have diluted themselves into thinking they have the best program in the MVC. In reality, probably not even top half of the league.
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Post by indymoon on Apr 6, 2024 14:46:04 GMT -6
Who’s the ISU AD? There’s so much uncertainty in TH; another big reason for him to leave. Angie LANSING For now. Is she interim?
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