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Post by aceloverlarry on Mar 18, 2024 10:58:55 GMT -6
Is there evidence he actually isn't going to play for this reason or is this just some crackpot theory someone has cooked up? It seems like this has quickly grown wings and become fact. I don't have a problem with him not playing cause he is not healthy. The most important thing in my mind is getting him healthy for November 2024. I was told last week by a very reliable source that he wasn’t playing in it for this reason. I didn’t comment on it here since I knew it would devolve into all of this, but since others were commenting on it and it had been spun into him leaving the program, I wanted to clarify with what I had heard. I guess it is not fact until he officially announces it, but I have no reason to doubt my source. I’m very confident in the reasonings I had posted, and like I’ve said repeatedly, I don’t think any of us should be judging him for it. He may very well still come back to the program after getting feedback in the draft process. Getting him to come back to UE is far more important than him playing in the CBI, and if I was the coach, I would fully support him doing what’s best for him in the draft process while also encouraging him to return to UE if he’s not guaranteed a draft spot.
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Post by aces44 on Mar 18, 2024 11:08:33 GMT -6
Is there evidence he actually isn't going to play for this reason or is this just some crackpot theory someone has cooked up? It seems like this has quickly grown wings and become fact. I don't have a problem with him not playing cause he is not healthy. The most important thing in my mind is getting him healthy for November 2024. I was told last week by a very reliable source that he wasn’t playing in it for this reason. I didn’t comment on it here since I knew it would devolve into all of this, but since others were commenting on it and it had been spun into him leaving the program, I wanted to clarify with what I had heard. I guess it is not fact until he officially announces it, but I have no reason to doubt my source. I’m very confident in the reasonings I had posted, and like I’ve said repeatedly, I don’t think any of us should be judging him for it. He may very well still come back to the program after getting feedback in the draft process. Getting him to come back to UE is far more important than him playing in the CBI, and if I was the coach, I would fully support him doing what’s best for him in the draft process while also encouraging him to return to UE if he’s not guaranteed a draft spot. Im gonna judge him like crazy. Playing in the CBI and playing in the NBA are not mutually exclusive. My mind could be changed by actually acknowledging the injury he supposedly has. He wasn’t wearing any medical device in the MVC tournament nor have we ever been told what exactly the injury is Again, Players Play. The NBA knows this better than the MVC does. There are no “try to give us 50% out there tonight” for role players. The NBA needs guys who play hurt and still produce. That wasn’t Ben down the stretch. His best bet is to play while hurt and show them that he can still produce while playing hurt. I wish him well, but it’s comical that a guy who didn’t make the 3rd team All-MVC is concerned about the NBA
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Post by aceloverlarry on Mar 18, 2024 11:25:44 GMT -6
I was told last week by a very reliable source that he wasn’t playing in it for this reason. I didn’t comment on it here since I knew it would devolve into all of this, but since others were commenting on it and it had been spun into him leaving the program, I wanted to clarify with what I had heard. I guess it is not fact until he officially announces it, but I have no reason to doubt my source. I’m very confident in the reasonings I had posted, and like I’ve said repeatedly, I don’t think any of us should be judging him for it. He may very well still come back to the program after getting feedback in the draft process. Getting him to come back to UE is far more important than him playing in the CBI, and if I was the coach, I would fully support him doing what’s best for him in the draft process while also encouraging him to return to UE if he’s not guaranteed a draft spot. Im gonna judge him like crazy. Playing in the CBI and playing in the NBA are not mutually exclusive. My mind could be changed by actually acknowledging the injury he supposedly has. He wasn’t wearing any medical device in the MVC tournament nor have we ever been told what exactly the injury is Again, Players Play. The NBA knows this better than the MVC does. There are no “try to give us 50% out there tonight” for role players. The NBA needs guys who play hurt and still produce. That wasn’t Ben down the stretch. His best bet is to play while hurt and show them that he can still produce while playing hurt. I wish him well, but it’s comical that a guy who didn’t make the 3rd team All-MVC is concerned about the NBA He only didn’t make an All MVC team because he missed half the season. There’s not 15 better guys in the MVC than him. I get your point on playing, but I’m not sure playing in the CBI would help his case much either. I’m not sure on the injury, but I can only assume it’s been flaring up still and he’s focusing on rehab. Hopefully someone makes an announcement soon and provides a good explanation, so we can all quit speculating. And hopefully that announcement comes with only an NBA declaration and not that he is entering the portal while exploring draft options.
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Post by aces44 on Mar 18, 2024 11:29:56 GMT -6
There is a difference between being Hurt and being Injured.
Players play while being hurt. Players rehab injuries until they can play.
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Post by municup14 on Mar 18, 2024 12:18:29 GMT -6
Ben as of now,and maybe never be NBA material.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Mar 18, 2024 12:27:02 GMT -6
Ben as of now,and maybe never be NBA material. I didn’t think Ben Sheppard was NBA material. I went to a pacers game this weekend, and I was very very wrong. He’s a legit 3&D guy in the NBA and a better player than their fifth overall pick. There’s a reason the scouts get paid big money and we’re just fans. Ben’s got an offensive game that translates to the NBA. The only question is his perimeter defense. I don’t think he goes this year, but next year there will definitely be a team willing to at a minimum sign him to the G League to develop. Dru Smith spent 3 years working in the G league before getting a full time NBA contract last offseason. Anything’s possible if you’re talented and have the work ethic.
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Post by ATP on Mar 18, 2024 12:51:44 GMT -6
Ben as of now,and maybe never be NBA material. I didn’t think Ben Sheppard was NBA material. I went to a pacers game this weekend, and I was very very wrong. He’s a legit 3&D guy in the NBA and a better player than their fifth overall pick. There’s a reason the scouts get paid big money and we’re just fans. Ben’s got an offensive game that translates to the NBA. The only question is his perimeter defense. I don’t think he goes this year, but next year there will definitely be a team willing to at a minimum sign him to the G League to develop. Dru Smith spent 3 years working in the G league before getting a full time NBA contract last offseason. Anything’s possible if you’re talented and have the work ethic. Setting aside any notion that BH is pro material, we can all safely say that he's proven he can play up a notch. This comes back around to whether he does/does not take the Florida trip. If he's not going, it's probably because his doc told him to not play on a bad leg, whatever that injury includes. If he can't play, he's not going to take a seat on the airplane, most likely. Why would he not go if he's invited? But if he's not playing because he's afraid poor performance will affect his NBA chances, I think we can revert back to your comment about scouts being smart and PAP's being fans. No scout is going to hold it against him if he can't play over 8 minutes in a row because he has a sprained psoas muscle. If Rags has said Ben won't play if he's not 100 pct., it still is a different conversation. Whatever, I'd wager Ben wants to play with this team rather than sit it out in hopes of improving his NBA status. That's just not even a debate. If this guy can play pro ball, I also am reminded that a kid from Grinnell, D-3, is playing in a pro league in Ireland. I mean, there is life in basketball for players who want it. It's just rationalizing to conclude that since he has some kind of pro potential, and that he is injured, and all of that conspires to keep him from contributing. I'd bet you wouldn't get a real polite answer from him if you asked if he's skipping this because he wants to talk to an agent.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Mar 18, 2024 13:06:56 GMT -6
I didn’t think Ben Sheppard was NBA material. I went to a pacers game this weekend, and I was very very wrong. He’s a legit 3&D guy in the NBA and a better player than their fifth overall pick. There’s a reason the scouts get paid big money and we’re just fans. Ben’s got an offensive game that translates to the NBA. The only question is his perimeter defense. I don’t think he goes this year, but next year there will definitely be a team willing to at a minimum sign him to the G League to develop. Dru Smith spent 3 years working in the G league before getting a full time NBA contract last offseason. Anything’s possible if you’re talented and have the work ethic. Setting aside any notion that BH is pro material, we can all safely say that he's proven he can play up a notch. This comes back around to whether he does/does not take the Florida trip. If he's not going, it's probably because his doc told him to not play on a bad leg, whatever that injury includes. If he can't play, he's not going to take a seat on the airplane, most likely. Why would he not go if he's invited? But if he's not playing because he's afraid poor performance will affect his NBA chances, I think we can revert back to your comment about scouts being smart and PAP's being fans. No scout is going to hold it against him if he can't play over 8 minutes in a row because he has a sprained psoas muscle. If Rags has said Ben won't play if he's not 100 pct., it still is a different conversation. Whatever, I'd wager Ben wants to play with this team rather than sit it out in hopes of improving his NBA status. That's just not even a debate. If this guy can play pro ball, I also am reminded that a kid from Grinnell, D-3, is playing in a pro league in Ireland. I mean, there is life in basketball for players who want it. It's just rationalizing to conclude that since he has some kind of pro potential, and that he is injured, and all of that conspires to keep him from contributing. I'd bet you wouldn't get a real polite answer from him if you asked if he's skipping this because he wants to talk to an agent. It looks like you’re still having a hard time connecting the dots like you mentioned earlier. He’s not skipping it because he’ll be meeting with agents/NBA teams. I’m sure he wants to play with his teammates and if the games meant something he would. He’s still injured, and he’s opting out of playing to focus on rehabbing and making sure he’s 100% when the Detroit pistons call next month and want to schedule him for a workout. It’s as simple as that. It has nothing to do with being afraid of a poor performance or whatever else people want to spin it to. It’s in his best interest to focus on rehabbing and getting 100% for the predraft workouts. If the ATs are telling him it’ll be a month before he’s 100% with no set backs, there’s no reason to risk a setback in the CBI. I don’t know for sure that that’s what they’re telling him, but I don’t know why else he would opt out. If he was 100% healthy all season, I don’t think this is a discussion. I know it’s been awhile since we’ve had anyone close to talented enough to entertain this, and the last time we did, you had to stay in the draft if you declared so only the best of the best did it, but things are much different now. Anyone can declare and return to college and there will be 200+ college basketball players getting worked out by random pro teams even though only 60 of them will be drafted. They cast their nets far and wide now, and if Ben can impress the right people, it might not get him drafted, but it will get more scouts at our games next year at a minimum.
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Post by lawrencevgibson on Mar 18, 2024 13:08:23 GMT -6
It doesn't take much to get off the subject. This is supposed to be about the CBI tourney not Ben's NBA future.
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Post by austinace on Mar 18, 2024 13:36:10 GMT -6
Useful fan information for those traveling to Florida for the game:
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Post by 65pointgame on Mar 18, 2024 13:48:58 GMT -6
It doesn't take much to get off the subject. This is supposed to be about the CBI tourney not Ben's NBA future. Thank you .... 100%!
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Post by ATP on Mar 18, 2024 14:00:31 GMT -6
It doesn't take much to get off the subject. This is supposed to be about the CBI tourney not Ben's NBA future. There are 100 components to every conversation. When a topic is brought up as part of it, as would be ... is Ben going to play the CBI, it's typical that that topic gets explored. Since I haven't seen one word written here about Quinnipiac, I suppose we could discuss them. They are relevant. It's easy to skip over the parts that we aren't interested in discussing.
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Post by aceloverlarry on Mar 18, 2024 14:04:04 GMT -6
It doesn't take much to get off the subject. This is supposed to be about the CBI tourney not Ben's NBA future. There are 100 components to every conversation. When a topic is brought up as part of it, as would be ... is Ben going to play the CBI, it's typical that that topic gets explored. Since I haven't seen one word written here about Quinnipiac, I suppose we could discuss them. They are relevant. It's easy to skip over the parts that we aren't interested in discussing. Please read the subject title. This thread is about the general CBI tournament. There is a Quinnipiac thread for all Quinnipiac specific discourse.
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Post by acepurple84 on Mar 18, 2024 14:45:34 GMT -6
There are 100 components to every conversation. When a topic is brought up as part of it, as would be ... is Ben going to play the CBI, it's typical that that topic gets explored. Since I haven't seen one word written here about Quinnipiac, I suppose we could discuss them. They are relevant. It's easy to skip over the parts that we aren't interested in discussing. Please read the subject title. This thread is about the general CBI tournament. There is a Quinnipiac thread for all Quinnipiac specific discourse. Well they really suck at their polling. Hope it bleeds over
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Post by ATP on Mar 18, 2024 15:41:08 GMT -6
There are 100 components to every conversation. When a topic is brought up as part of it, as would be ... is Ben going to play the CBI, it's typical that that topic gets explored. Since I haven't seen one word written here about Quinnipiac, I suppose we could discuss them. They are relevant. It's easy to skip over the parts that we aren't interested in discussing. Please read the subject title. This thread is about the general CBI tournament. There is a Quinnipiac thread for all Quinnipiac specific discourse. Is there a Quinnipiac board for the fans, and one for the players? Seriously, you gonna herd these conversations onto their own specific board? These are chat groups and they are like real life when chats deviate to "oh by the way, that reminds me of Aunt Ethel's dog ..." (Yeah what about it?) "You mentioned having fleas, and it came to mind." There are no sins being committed here, just some topic-obsessed people who don't think discussing an Aces player on an Aces board should be under something the Aces plan to participate in. This stuff doesn't bother me as much as the pushback does.
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