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Post by sect3purple on Mar 13, 2020 16:55:24 GMT -6
First, let me admit that if our Aces had just won the MVC tournament and were looking forward to the NCAA Tournament after all these years of being on the outside looking in, I would be devastated - for the team, and, yes, for me. I know what a disappointment this is to teams and fans all over the country, in different degrees to individuals and programs. My opinion is that this whole shut-down of so many events is an overreach, because I fear it won't even be effective, but that's just my opinion.
I didn't feel so bad for the Power teams who annually have the opportunity to compete/win in the tournaments. I don't have a lot of concern either for the NBA, as for those players this just is a minor hiccup in their multi-million -dollar careers.
I did read the comments by many of the Big 10 coaches concerning the ending of the season, and I was impressed by their messages of viewing this in a broader concern - and that was the sacrifice of their teams for the good of the country, responsibility and a life lesson that they would learn from as much as participating in a tournament.
Those messages reminded me of a story my mother told me about December,1941. Mom was a high school student in rural MO.and looking forward to all the Senior activities the next spring. She got on the bus, I believe it was on Monday, after the attack on Pearl Harbor on the 7th. She looked around to see a bus void of the Senior boys from her school - they were all headed to Springfield to enlist, as soon would be the bus driver, Mom's older brother.
Just a family story that I remember. I still think we are over-reacting. but I realize my views are somewhat selfish.
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Post by db1972 on Mar 14, 2020 0:44:50 GMT -6
I know nothing about infectious diseases, but naturally I still have an opinion. The way I see it, we have two options: 1. do everything we can to contain COVID-19 and slow down its spread (not even prevent, we are past that point) or 2. continue with business relatively as usual. Option 1 will likely result in slightly less immediate deaths, mostly affecting old fogeys like myself. However, Option 1 also has the possibility to put the economy into the greatest tailspin since the Great Depression. How likely that is, I'm not sure, but I would wager it has a solid chance based on the amount of disruption the global economy has already experienced. My question is, does trying to slow (again, not prevent) the spread of COVID-19 outweigh the risks of grinding the world to a halt? I think there is a case to be made that more pain, suffering, and death will occur due to the consequences of such an extreme response. I obviously am not trying to leave this Earth any time soon, but sitting at home all day with no sports gives me time to wonder if all this sacrifice is in vain.
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Post by lawrencevgibson on Mar 14, 2020 10:09:57 GMT -6
I know nothing about infectious diseases, but naturally I still have an opinion. The way I see it, we have two options: 1. do everything we can to contain COVID-19 and slow down its spread (not even prevent, we are past that point) or 2. continue with business relatively as usual. Option 1 will likely result in slightly less immediate deaths, mostly affecting old fogeys like myself. However, Option 1 also has the possibility to put the economy into the greatest tailspin since the Great Depression. How likely that is, I'm not sure, but I would wager it has a solid chance based on the amount of disruption the global economy has already experienced. My question is, does trying to slow (again, not prevent) the spread of COVID-19 outweigh the risks of grinding the world to a halt? I think there is a case to be made that more pain, suffering, and death will occur due to the consequences of such an extreme response. I obviously am not trying to leave this Earth any time soon, but sitting at home all day with no sports gives me time to wonder if all this sacrifice is in vain. I agree completely. If the supply chain shuts down people will go ballistic and go into full blown panic. Nobody blinks an eye over the flu which kills millions every year. It's all about covid-19 being something new and people aren't informed. I'm not changing anything as far as how I go about daily life.
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Post by acecard on Mar 14, 2020 10:21:50 GMT -6
I know nothing about infectious diseases, but naturally I still have an opinion. The way I see it, we have two options: 1. do everything we can to contain COVID-19 and slow down its spread (not even prevent, we are past that point) or 2. continue with business relatively as usual. Option 1 will likely result in slightly less immediate deaths, mostly affecting old fogeys like myself. However, Option 1 also has the possibility to put the economy into the greatest tailspin since the Great Depression. How likely that is, I'm not sure, but I would wager it has a solid chance based on the amount of disruption the global economy has already experienced. My question is, does trying to slow (again, not prevent) the spread of COVID-19 outweigh the risks of grinding the world to a halt? I think there is a case to be made that more pain, suffering, and death will occur due to the consequences of such an extreme response. I obviously am not trying to leave this Earth any time soon, but sitting at home all day with no sports gives me time to wonder if all this sacrifice is in vain. I agree completely. If the supply chain shuts down people will go ballistic and go into full blown panic. Nobody blinks an eye over the flu which kills millions every year. It's all about covid-19 being something new and people aren't informed. I'm not changing anything as far as how I go about daily life. Have someone tell us where to send the flowers.
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Post by lawrencevgibson on Mar 14, 2020 10:46:51 GMT -6
I agree completely. If the supply chain shuts down people will go ballistic and go into full blown panic. Nobody blinks an eye over the flu which kills millions every year. It's all about covid-19 being something new and people aren't informed. I'm not changing anything as far as how I go about daily life. Have someone tell us where to send the flowers. I'm not sure flowers are needed. I don't often mingle in crowds anyway and my prevention habits didn't start with this virus. I think I've covered my six pretty good.
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Post by COUTEAU on Mar 14, 2020 11:10:38 GMT -6
You're correct. I have not a clue if, which, who, or how many members of the departed or nursing staff, in Seattle had tix to any sporting event. But, in all of the posted comments made yesterday, mine was the only one that kept the victims in my thoughts.
Yes, I got Coonass in my veins. I love me some leftovers. Most everything many members in my family eat were part of other dinners, through the week. So, if you were trying to offend me on my preferred choice of distilled spirits. Ha Missed, try again. Or, read up on actually how all peat based whiskys are made.
I lived in Soulard for a long time. Most all my friends and many people I knew or met, worked in health care or were connected to a hospital. Not impressed. Your opinion, is just that. Your opinion. A total of two (2) Wuhan Flu cases, in Missouri. (as of Sat 3/14/20) And one of them just walked away from her (self imposed) quarantine. To attend a party. Hey, St Louis Good job, protecting humanity!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 15:17:23 GMT -6
You're correct. I have not a clue if, which, who, or how many members of the departed or nursing staff, in Seattle had tix to any sporting event. But, in all of the posted comments made yesterday, mine was the only one that kept the victims in my thoughts. Yes, I got Coonass in my veins. I love me some leftovers. Most everything many members in my family eat were part of other dinners, through the week. So, if you were trying to offend me on my preferred choice of distilled spirits. Ha Missed, try again. Or, read up on actually how all peat based whiskys are made. I lived in Soulard for a long time. Most all my friends and many people I knew or met, worked in health care or were connected to a hospital. Not impressed. Your opinion, is just that. Your opinion. A total of two (2) Wuhan Flu cases, in Missouri. (as of Sat 3/14/20) And one of them just walked away from her (self imposed) quarantine. To attend a party. Hey, St Louis Good job, protecting humanity! ……………………….. Wash your hands Cover your mouth, when coughing Check on elderly friends & family In 1918 the influenza pandemic infected 500 million and killed 50 million worldwide of a world population of 1.8 billion. All other things equal, that will equate to 2.2 billion infected and 220 million killed today. Would you also mock those numbers while being hurt-butt over missing out on adults in colorful uniforms playing kid's games? You don't know how many people in Missouri have COVID-19 because unlike the rest of the developed world we don't have the leadership with the foresight or the will to test for the disease. I am grateful that we have more sensible people than you at the helm of sports organizations making difficult and selfless decisions on ways to save millions of lives. I will deeply miss the sporting events that I've followed with pleasure since childhood but I'm adult enough to know what really matters. That said, you are good for a chuckle. You write that your comment was "the only one" that kept the nursing home victims in your thoughts. That's rich. The problem is that your thoughts are centered around ridiculing attempts to protect them from a virulent and highly contagious virus. For that you want a pat on the back. Good grief!
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Post by lawrencevgibson on Mar 14, 2020 21:17:37 GMT -6
I realize that Covid-19 is something new to people and it's a little intimidating. The crazy stuff your seeing in stores is a small sample of what people in Venezuella have lived with for a while now, their situation isn't easy to recover from. So before anybody goes off the deep end remember you still have it pretty darn good in this country and things will recover. I am happy that I have a good roof over my head and food to eat. I'll ride this out in a calm, laid back manner. It would be good for people to stay calm and enjoy all that you can. Our sports will come back and life will get back to normal soon. Rest easy friends.
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Post by COUTEAU on Mar 15, 2020 9:33:40 GMT -6
Can't debate or deny those factual death totals from The Spanish Flu. However, that was over one hundred years ago, when there were no such things as Antibiotics. Thanks to the development of that research, in the 1930's, all influenza outbreaks since, have been combated more favorably. Swine Flu (H1N1) in 2009 infected 1.5 Billion, with 600K deaths, world wide. (including 59 million Americans infected, 265,000 hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died) That's a tragic number, no doubt. But, without Antibiotics, it would have been a whole lot higher.
Wasn't seeking a pat on the back. Just thought, if you were truly concerned for the families of those in Seattle, as you claimed, you may have at least mentioned them, by including a nod of compassion? Instead, you instantly replied with a slurry of your patented smart ass insults towards others, who don't share your opinion.
I had only realized I had offered my posted condolences yesterday AM, when I was viewing my last comment. You, while in your attempt, to only condemn or embarrass others, hadn't. So, thought I'd mention it.
I had assumed the point of this entire thread/discussion was whether or not, the games/events/ect should have been played or canceled. Myself, along with a few others, feel the media has blown this thing up enough to actually create panic at the local Winn-Dixie, over toilet paper. You could have just disagreed. But, considering your smugness, it is what it is.
Finally....., I do love me those colorful uniforms, that first Thursday & Friday, the thrill of an anticipated 3-14 or 2-15 upset, the pageantry of the cheerleaders, fans, & school bands, The National Anthem, the buzzer beaters, the teary eyed Senior's last college game, even the corny, "One Shining Moment" vid.
Promise, I'm not, 'butt hurt', I'll continue to be keeping good thoughts for the inflicted and will trust those in authority to make the proper decisions.
Wash your hands Cover your mouth, when coughing Check on elderly friends & family
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Also.
To fellow PAP members, A correction on my previous posted comment. A friend of mine in UCity, had told me Friday evening, of the young woman, that had broken her quarantine. Found out, differently a few hours after relating that story... It was actually her father taking her younger sister from the same quarantined home, to a high school dance.
My bad, for passing fake news.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 12:03:18 GMT -6
Can't debate or deny those factual death totals from The Spanish Flu. However, that was over one hundred years ago, when there were no such things as Antibiotics. Thanks to the development of that research, in the 1930's, all influenza outbreaks since, have been combated more favorably. Swine Flu (H1N1) in 2009 infected 1.5 Billion, with 600K deaths, world wide. (including 59 million Americans infected, 265,000 hospitalized as a result, and 12,000 died) That's a tragic number, no doubt. But, without Antibiotics, it would have been a whole lot higher. Speaking of spreading fake news, antibiotics kill bacteria, NOT VIRUSES! Please do some basic research. In 1918, antibiotics would not have killed the "Spanish" flu virus. A vaccine would have helped but there WASN'T one. Antibiotics WON'T kill the COVID-19 virus either because it is a virus, not a bacteria. A vaccine would help but THERE ISN'T ONE! As for your go-to simplistic advice to wash your hands with the inference that everything will be alright, not so fast. Thorough hand washing has always been a good practice but when you are out and about there is never soap and water near every touch screen and door handle that you touch. How many times will you touch your face before you finally wash your hands hours later? Yes, wash your hands. But don't imagine that that is the easy solution to COVID-19. I would estimate that less than 50% wash their hands after using the restrooms at the Ford Center or any other sports arena. Of those who do, less than 50% spend all of twenty seconds doing it. I will give you the last word because your selfish, smug, ill-informed dismissal of a serious health crisis makes me ill. Let me close by repeating what you need to know but won't bother to learn. Antibiotics don't kill viruses. LOOK IT UP! A hospital can do two things for you, administer fluids and place you on a ventilator. That's it. And if they don't have enough ventilators you may be the odd man out. Get on board the solution and stop spreading fake news. The floor is yours. Toodles.
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Post by castle69 on Mar 15, 2020 15:48:31 GMT -6
So do hospitals in America now fail to maintain an inventory of antiviral medications? Your statement re: "only two things hospitals can do" (fluids/ventilator) is also "fake news." www.infectioncontroltoday.com/influenza/fighting-flu-antiviral-drugsIn a nutshell, having a common "virus" isn't as draconian as you lead people to believe, although age & pre-existing conditions are certainly factors impacting full recovery. And of course, some viruses are more serious than others. In five (5) years, we'll certainly discover how much of this pandemic was REAL v. MEDIA-MANUFACTURED, won't we?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 16:49:22 GMT -6
So do hospitals in America now fail to maintain an inventory of antiviral medications? Your statement re: "only two things hospitals can do" (fluids/ventilator) is also "fake news." www.infectioncontroltoday.com/influenza/fighting-flu-antiviral-drugsIn a nutshell, having a common "virus" isn't as draconian as you lead people to believe, although age & pre-existing conditions are certainly factors impacting full recovery. And of course, some viruses are more serious than others. In five (5) years, we'll certainly discover how much of this pandemic was REAL v. MEDIA-MANUFACTURED, won't we? It won’t take 5 years. By definition it’s already a global pandemic. The media didn’t manufacture or distribute the virus. Their purpose is to inform. If you’d rather not be informed, pull the plug on the outside world and practice news-distancing. BTW, COVID-19 is not the flu. Anti-viral drugs created over the years to specifically fight the flu will not help. Don’t help COUTEAU spread fake news. Go Aces!
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Post by castle69 on Mar 15, 2020 17:16:13 GMT -6
While the "purpose" of the media is to inform, anyone who's been in this world since Pres. Trump was elected, have witnessed the EXTREMES they'll take to accentuate their biased viewpoints. Tune into WNIN's NPR "Early Morning News" for a valid example.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 17:44:49 GMT -6
While the "purpose" of the media is to inform, anyone who's been in this world since Pres. Trump was elected, have witnessed the EXTREMES they'll take to accentuate their biased viewpoints. Tune into WNIN's NPR "Early Morning News" for a valid example. What is your purpose in conflating COVID-19 with the seasonal flu?
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Post by db1972 on Mar 15, 2020 19:36:19 GMT -6
While the "purpose" of the media is to inform, anyone who's been in this world since Pres. Trump was elected, have witnessed the EXTREMES they'll take to accentuate their biased viewpoints. Tune into WNIN's NPR "Early Morning News" for a valid example. What is your purpose in conflating COVID-19 with the seasonal flu? What is your purpose defending the media until your death bed?
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