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Post by E-Villan on Mar 11, 2020 10:42:19 GMT -6
MVC 0-19, for this 50+ year ticket holder, ACES 1982 AND COUTEAU, ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY. NO ONE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM COULD START FOR ANY OTHER TEAM IN CONFERENCE, EXCEPT FOR DW WHEN HE'S HEALTHY. NUMEROUS TIMES I'VE STATED WE ARE NOT MVC CALIBER EXCEPT FOR 1999 AND GIDDYS TEAM A FEW YEARS BACK. TWICE IN 25 YEARS? Then you get the players who can. If you're a 50 year ticket holder, then you have seen us beat up on SIU, Illinois State, Indiana State, Valpo, Loyola for years. Geez, I wonder what conference they are in.
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Post by E-Villan on Mar 11, 2020 11:04:20 GMT -6
82, your'e making my points and you don't realize it.
Yes, Creighton was garbage in the 90's. No history, crappy gym and no fans. They made a great hire in Dana Altman, a failed P5 coach who made the most of his second chance. Sound familiar? They started competing in the very league they had spent years as a doormat, started winning, fans started showing up, to the tune of 15K+ and they found themselves in the Big East. They didn't sit around in 1995 and say, damn, this is too tough, let's go to the Mid-Con.
Butler was garbage as well. I believe they as well went 30+ years without a NCAA or NIT appearance. Small, private school drawing less than 2K in an old stadium. We used to call it Roberts North because we could turn Hinkle into a home court in those days. They hired Barry Collier as AD, and things started to turn around. Another key player in that turnaround was a guy named Todd Lickliter. You do realize it wasn't until they were in the Big East that their basketball budget passed ours.
Loyola spent years in a bad Horizon and couldn't get close to a title. Somehow, they get into the MVC, and actually started competing. Again, the right people were put in place. Your logic and they would have gone to the SWAC.
There are three academically similar institutions off the top of my head that spent decades stinking up the place, and hired the right people, and actually improved their conference affiliations. Can you name one single school that has dropped their affiliation and found success? I can't.
Your arguments are also flawed with the assumption everything else stays the same. Drop to a lower conference, and you will start getting lower level recruits. That is a fact. If the people we have in place can't manage the MVC with MVC level resources, what makes you think they will with lower level resources and recruits?
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Post by deanwormer on Mar 11, 2020 14:57:04 GMT -6
MVC 0-19, for this 50+ year ticket holder, ACES 1982 AND COUTEAU, ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY. NO ONE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM COULD START FOR ANY OTHER TEAM IN CONFERENCE, EXCEPT FOR DW WHEN HE'S HEALTHY. NUMEROUS TIMES I'VE STATED WE ARE NOT MVC CALIBER EXCEPT FOR 1999 AND GIDDYS TEAM A FEW YEARS BACK. TWICE IN 25 YEARS? No need to scream. It doesn't make this any more intelligent. Somewhere there is a high school bleacher with your name on it.
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Post by acepurple84 on Mar 11, 2020 15:14:08 GMT -6
Ok I thought for a moment about the crux of this threads subject. Went to the bathroom to think. I thought long and hard while in there and finally came to conclusion. No we should stay the thought of moving floated away.
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Post by ncace on Mar 11, 2020 20:56:39 GMT -6
As stated,we don’t need a new conference, we simply need a commitment to competing in all sports, in the conference we’re in. We need a new AD, who’s organizationally skilled internally and is engaging and personable externally. At least 4:programs need new, energetic coaches who are committed to recruiting talented athletes capable of winning in the MVC. In men’s basketball, specifically, we need an associate head coach who can recruit and be ready to lead the entire program in 2:years. Six key hires, and we don’t need to settle. People with the proper skills and can-do attitude are out there.
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Post by 83Ace on Mar 11, 2020 21:15:17 GMT -6
As stated,we don’t need a new conference, we simply need a commitment to competing in all sports, in the conference we’re in. We need a new AD, who’s organizationally skilled internally and is engaging and personable externally. At least 4:programs need new, energetic coaches who are committed to recruiting talented athletes capable of winning in the MVC. In men’s basketball, specifically, we need an associate head coach who can recruit and be ready to lead the entire program in 2:years. Six key hires, and we don’t need to settle. People with the proper skills and can-do attitude are out there. That about sums it up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 7:37:06 GMT -6
Other MVC schools are better because they have better players. They recruit better They have better campus life They have better resources They have less academic restraint They have winning culture That’s just a few reasons. The old MCC was set up with like university’s. They were all private, smaller university’s. There is nothing wrong to admit when you are in over your head. UE is in over their head in the MVC. Maybe not at the very beginning because they were coming off such great success in the MCC with NCAA bids and NIT bids and great crowd support. But over time the MVC has swallowed that up and all that has been lost. And it’s not coming back while in the MVC 1. If they recruit better, then again, it comes down to people, which you say is not the issue. 2. Campus life is subjective. Go to Valpo or Bradley and tell me what is so much better. From a community standpoint, we compare favorably with every city not named Chicago in this league, and many would argue against Chicago..but a college student looking for adventure, I concede that one. There are hundreds of colleges smaller than UE. Apparently, there are reasons students elect to go there. 3. Resources?? We have one of the highest budgets in the MVC. We have one of the largest fanbases. Have you seen what we have done with the facilities? Go look at the renovations just completed on the baseball field. BTW, we beat Indiana last night, and the softball team beat Illinois over the weekend 9-1, apparently we are able to recruit teams with 9+ players who find our small campus as attractive as a large, Big 10 school. 4. Less academic restraint. Mindless excuse making. You realize the last 3 MVC Basketball Tournaments have been won by private schools? The final this year, both teams were. I am pretty sure our academic restraints aren't any more difficult than the other privates. 5. Winning culture. I will actually agree with you, that makes it tough. But that lack of winning culture would follow us into any league we are in. Plus, the stigma to a recruit that we are downgrading our program would not sit well. Explain how a school like Loyola, can go 30+ years without a NCAA appearance, never win a conference title in a weaker Horizon league, and makes the jump to the MVC and becomes competitive? Simple..People, People, People. The MCC, evolved into a stronger conference than the MVC. Marquette, SLU, Xavier, Butler, Loyola, Detroit, Dayton, Lasalle and Duquesne, along with us. I will take that every day of the week and twice on Sunday, then and now. Fact..Creighton and Bradley were very, very close to joining. Research the Courier archives from 91 and 92. Even after Marquette and SLU left. Creighton was in, and waiting for Bradley to accept. Fact. Bradley's President was even quoted they were strongly considering it, and stated that they were concerned about the recent additions and direction of the MVC. (Why all schools added since have been privates) Dayton abruptly bolts, and the rest is history. I was a season ticket holder in 93, and spent many games riding a fan bus from the Stockwell Inn. Nearly everyone was disappointed the MCC was imploding, and felt we were being forced to take a small step backwards...which it was in 1993. We have MVC resources, MVC facilities, MVC fanbase...the ONLY question is do we have MVC people. End of story. This is an excellent post, and spot on. I do, perhaps for my own sake. to emphasize to somehow believe the people who are in charge (university's presidents) do not have a bearing on your team's success is just outlandish. That would be like saying Microsoft would have succeeded with or without Bill Gates.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 8:36:57 GMT -6
UE would not benefit moving into a conference that isn't better. For the wingding who evidently accused me of advocating for that ... reading is fundamental. I wish I had all 10 fingers. I'd have spelled pedantry correctly. But it's time to go. There is no need for these exchanges. No sir, no one on this thread, including this "wingding" said you believed that UE moving to the OVC would benefit them. Reading is fundamental. What was posted by you was your opinion that a move of Evansville from the MVC to the OVC was a lateral move. I challenged you with that point and gave reasons why. Your response was quite typical for yourself when your statements are confronted, you become haughty, and then let off a litany of nonsensical rhetoric. Albothepurple, this is an Evansville Aces's basketball forum where we share our thoughts and opinions....you can expect fans to both agree and disagree. This is what we do. Many of the Ace's fans on here, like myself, have been around the block a few times...just like you. I thoroughly enjoy it and have learned quite a few things along the way from the posters, and would like to feel I contributed some as well. If you get threatened by being challenged by someone like me, whom you refer to as a "wingding", this may not be good place for you to be. You come to this site quite a bit, and make post after post on much of the subject matter. Great. But I would invite you each day before you turn on your computer and come to this forum, to take several big doses of humility, and then proceed. People on here, including myself, and maybe even PurpleWhiskers (lol), would enjoy you a lot more.
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Post by purplestrong on Mar 12, 2020 10:35:33 GMT -6
Well, I started this thread, so by the authority vested in my by absolutely no one , I hereby move to put a bullet in this thread and put it out of it’s misery.🙈
I’ve been convinced we should stay put and make whatever personnel changes are needed to turn the ship around ! Now let’s go recruit some shooters!
Go Aces
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Post by aceslfer on Mar 12, 2020 11:53:05 GMT -6
some shooters, some dribblers, some passers, some rebounders, some leaders, some MVC caliber athletes, some less shoulder droppers, some less whiners, some better teammates, some coachable players and of course good students. Good Luck.
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Post by aceslfer on Mar 12, 2020 16:36:33 GMT -6
E-VILLAN got me curious when he replied how we have beaten up on IND St, ILL St and SIU. My research shows for the last 18 years the records are as follows: against ILL ST we are 14-27, against IND ST we are 17-24 and against SIU we are 13-27. These results are more relevant than pre MVC competition. Loyola and Valpo were each about 5-5, didn't need to review Wichita or Creighton, dismal as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 18:34:47 GMT -6
UE would not benefit moving into a conference that isn't better. For the wingding who evidently accused me of advocating for that ... reading is fundamental. I wish I had all 10 fingers. I'd have spelled pedantry correctly. But it's time to go. There is no need for these exchanges. No sir, no one on this thread, including this "wingding" said you believed that UE moving to the OVC would benefit them. Reading is fundamental. What was posted by you was your opinion that a move of Evansville from the MVC to the OVC was a lateral move. I challenged you with that point and gave reasons why. Your response was quite typical for yourself when your statements are confronted, you become haughty, and then let off a litany of nonsensical rhetoric. Albothepurple, this is an Evansville Aces's basketball forum where we share our thoughts and opinions....you can expect fans to both agree and disagree. This is what we do. Many of the Ace's fans on here, like myself, have been around the block a few times...just like you. I thoroughly enjoy it and have learned quite a few things along the way from the posters, and would like to feel I contributed some as well. If you get threatened by being challenged by someone like me, whom you refer to as a "wingding", this may not be good place for you to be. You come to this site quite a bit, and make post after post on much of the subject matter. Great. But I would invite you each day before you turn on your computer and come to this forum, to take several big doses of humility, and then proceed. People on here, including myself, and maybe even PurpleWhiskers (lol), would enjoy you a lot more. PurpleWhiskers does value humility. He wears it on his fine silk sleeves.
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Post by deanwormer on Mar 12, 2020 19:52:46 GMT -6
E-VILLAN got me curious when he replied how we have beaten up on IND St, ILL St and SIU. My research shows for the last 18 years the records are as follows: against ILL ST we are 14-27, against IND ST we are 17-24 and against SIU we are 13-27. These results are more relevant than pre MVC competition. Loyola and Valpo were each about 5-5, didn't need to review Wichita or Creighton, dismal as well. Do you actually think before you start rambling? No one is arguing with you that the last 18 years have been horrible. Prior to hiring 2 president's who couldn't give a flip about athletics, who hired a non qualified banker for AD, who hired a non-qualified D2 coach because he was cheap and played here, the program competed very well against those schools...even Wichita and Creighton who were both bottom feeders during the 90's. For the last time goofball, the conference isn't the problem, it was the cast of idiots we had in place. We are only two years post ol Sweater Vest. Give the Schleprock bit a rest.
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Post by aces1982 on Mar 13, 2020 12:09:18 GMT -6
MVC 0-19, for this 50+ year ticket holder, ACES 1982 AND COUTEAU, ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY. NO ONE PLAYER ON THIS TEAM COULD START FOR ANY OTHER TEAM IN CONFERENCE, EXCEPT FOR DW WHEN HE'S HEALTHY. NUMEROUS TIMES I'VE STATED WE ARE NOT MVC CALIBER EXCEPT FOR 1999 AND GIDDYS TEAM A FEW YEARS BACK. TWICE IN 25 YEARS? Then you get the players who can. If you're a 50 year ticket holder, then you have seen us beat up on SIU, Illinois State, Indiana State, Valpo, Loyola for years. Geez, I wonder what conference they are in. Don't let the facts get in your way. It bugs me to no end when people try to recall things off of memory and don't take the time to look things up. I continue to just give facts after facts. From the years of 79-94 while in the MCC this was our record vs MVC teams. I am not including Valpo and Loyola because they were recently added and were not in the Valley when we joined. SIU 7-5 ISU 11-8 Ill St 1-2 Missouri St 2-2 UNI 2-0 Bradley 1-1 That is not beat up on by any stretch of the imagination
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Post by deanwormer on Mar 13, 2020 13:32:57 GMT -6
82,
GTFOH!
Seriously. What is your agenda here? All you ever did on the old board is argue..until you got banned. Now, after your long hiatus (due to things looking up) you resurface with your same snarky attitude and argumentive BS.
Myself and numerous others have clearly pointed out to you how the program was competitive with these very schools prior to the arrival of the clowns...Jennings, Stanley, Simmons. Now, you are nitpicking on terminology, which is pathetic. Regardless, the point remainns we have and can compete at this level.
Marty used your theory in the non-con by piling wins up on lower level teams. It got is nowhere and the fans didn't show up. You seriously think that is the cure now?
This was a rough season, and I greatly appreciated the comradre and respectful, intelligent posting on this board. I really hope the mods don't allow you to ruin that with your constant arguments.
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