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Post by evilleman on Mar 9, 2020 8:25:13 GMT -6
I mean I'm all for trying anything. But, do you think a kid is going to turn down a chance to play in the Big 10 because the Aces came to his elementary school. Hell Dru left for the SEC after being an Ace. It's just the world of college hoops right now. I concur that that strategy isn't going to work on a kid who's been turned over to an AAU program after being conditioned to believe he's got an NBA future ... but I don't think overall that selling UE to local or regional kids is a terrible idea. It's saturation marketing, ingraining the idea that a degree from the top Tri-State athletics program is an asset to one's life. Most guys who play for the Aces end their careers when the Arch Madness ends on their senior season. Those are the guys who make the program go. You get a Jalen Brown or Adam Wing by selling the program. Sadly, the time between the last Aces standout team and the next one is rapidly expanding. Meaning, you could sell UE to Don Buse because he'd heard of Jerry Sloan. You can't sell UE to the next generation of kids because all they remember is maybe that the Aces won the CIT four or five years ago. I believe in marketing to the kid who wants to believe they will hang his jersey in the rafters. And the jersey should have sleeves, purple letters on the front ... the tradition got flushed down the drain when UE stopped being original. Now they're unique -- they are the least interesting basketball program in the Valley. Boring people run the show. Boring results will emerge. Here's the deal -- UE has 5,000 fans on an average (paid) ... there's something there. If you are boring and run the show, all you are counting is heads. Put some whirlybirds on their caps. Sell purple towels that say "We beat UK and you didn't!" Sorry about the length of my comments, but this one is kind of what I really enjoy about the process -- how do you sell chicken feathers to chickens. Yeah I don't really see it as an AAU issue and being sold NBA dreams. I'm sure for some that is true. For others, its playing on TV every night and playing in front of big crowds, world class facilities, etc etc. I was a D2 athlete. I didn't go D1 because I wasn't good enough, but I didn't go to a D3 school because the D2 had more to offer me. Power 5 schools have much more to offer players than UE does. It is what it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 8:43:49 GMT -6
Yeah I don't really see it as an AAU issue and being sold NBA dreams. I'm sure for some that is true. For others, its playing on TV every night and playing in front of big crowds, world class facilities, etc etc. I was a D2 athlete. I didn't go D1 because I wasn't good enough, but I didn't go to a D3 school because the D2 had more to offer me. Power 5 schools have much more to offer players than UE does. It is what it Most likely that's the case for the 5-star athletes who have been promised cars, chicks and apartments by Calipari etc. UE can't get those guys anyhow, but they can maybe dream a little. Still, that player isn't a long-range value to the program. They play a year and go. (IU and Purdue are classic examples.) The kids who UE needs if they want to compete are guys who could go to a P5 school and maybe make the travel team or stay at home and get some playing time in front of a regional audience that has remained pretty faithful this year. This is especially true of that abomination of a women's program -- where are the top girls going when they graduate? Hint: I can bet UE has no idea. The education aside, the degree from Grinnell is worth as much as one from Northern Iowa and the fun is in playing, not making the scrim squad to beef up the other 8 guys. So the premise is to encourage the local kids who are capable of helping a UE team ... at least put it on their list of schools to visit. You can't do more than that but if UE is appealing enough to be on your list of top 5 visits, you've succeeded.
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Post by COUTEAU on Mar 9, 2020 10:19:51 GMT -6
AAU has ruined the high school experience and loyalty to their school competition. Many coaches could care less about "their" Kids. They're nothing more than pimps, using their rosters to promote their own agenda.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2020 12:35:09 GMT -6
AAU has ruined the high school experience and loyalty to their school competition. Many coaches could care less about "their" Kids. They're nothing more than pimps, using their rosters to promote their own agenda. I noticed some ads on the A.M.game on Sunday promoting some kind of AAU program in Chicago that "catered" to all those intangibles such as helping mentor kids, teach them this or that ... and I thought, yeah I remember up this way the Gary Bowman team that built its rep on a lot of 6-6 and 6-8 kids who came from someplace. The late Marvin Rhea was responsible for that, and inevitably turned the whole city against him to the point where the other Gary schools wouldn't even play them. That's happening again there with a different charter school that has no boundaries or any concept of the spirit of sport. You don't win games 98-43 and expect to get much respect. But the players aren't in it for that. They just like to dunk over a 5-9 kid.
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Post by acefan on Mar 16, 2020 15:19:45 GMT -6
Sam DeVault has announced he's transferring from Austin Peay. He's a 6'10" player and Memorial grad who shoots about 40% from 3 point range. His recruitment was discussed a lot on the old board. Should we be interested in him? Please discuss.
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Post by stennisrm72 on Mar 16, 2020 15:27:39 GMT -6
Sam DeVault has announced he's transferring from Austin Peay. He's a 6'10" player and Memorial grad who shoots about 40% from 3 point range. His recruitment was discussed a lot on the old board. Should we be interested in him? Please discuss. It was also discussed that his mom is a UE employee. He better fits what coach is looking for to me. It wouldn't cost us a scholarship either. Spouses and children attend free of charge.
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Post by 6thman on Mar 16, 2020 15:36:54 GMT -6
I believe he was offered a preferred walkon status his freshman year and opted to take the scholarship offered by AP. Freshmen have to stay in the dorms @ UE. That probably is $10-12k. He won't be eligible til 2021-22 school year.
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Post by austinace on Mar 16, 2020 21:25:17 GMT -6
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Post by municup14 on Mar 17, 2020 5:24:52 GMT -6
I could see Sam fitting into TL style of play.Im not for sure how much he would play,but I believe we have 6 or 7 juniors on our roster
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 6:51:04 GMT -6
Sorry things didn't work out for Sam. I had first thought AP would be a good fit. Chances are that if he wasn't in the rotation for the Governor's he would not get much playing time here either. If he wants to get back home, USI would be a great choice. Other than that, he may go the juco route and see he can get better offers.
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Post by bballjunkie on Mar 17, 2020 10:31:30 GMT -6
If he can shoot, we can use him. This team needs a stretch 4 in the worst way. He would need to redshirt if he transfers here, so he would have 3 years of eligibility left after guys like Cunliffe, Hall, Labinowicz, Peace, etc are gone.
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Post by wildbill on Mar 17, 2020 14:29:47 GMT -6
Sam DeVault would be an excellent option for us. It'd be nice if we could get him, and not have to use a scholarship. I don't know how this recruiting stuff is working with this Corinavirus situation. Does anybody know how recruiting is working?
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Post by acefan on Mar 17, 2020 14:39:45 GMT -6
Sam DeVault would be an excellent option for us. It'd be nice if we could get him, and not have to use a scholarship. I don't know how this recruiting stuff is working with this Corinavirus situation. Does anybody know how recruiting is working? Recruiting has been suspended until April 15. NCAA Recruiting
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2020 7:13:39 GMT -6
Not sure why some are so hyped about Sam DeVault. As stated earlier, I am sorry things didn't work out for him at AP. He left because of lack of playing time, and knew their was little chance that was going to change. Why would that change at UE? He had 6 schools offer him after high school - half of them were D-2 and Austin Peay was the best of that lot. He is wanting to play somewhere...not sit. Aces at this point need to make a splash with a higher level recruit who can make more of an immediate impact. Sam, IMO, is not that guy. USI offered him after high school, and they will need some front line help after next season.
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Post by aceshigh on Mar 18, 2020 9:17:55 GMT -6
If he can’t play at AP he won’t play at UE. He is not Valley material and we don’t need to waste another scholarship ala Peace.
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