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Post by aceloverlarry on May 6, 2022 9:15:43 GMT -6
Because of the horrible Georgia tenure, and even with that he’s only 8 games below .500. I don’t think it’s fair to remove the entire IU stint. The man won two Big Ten titles. Just saying that ANY coach would’ve had a horrible conference record the first 3 years with the situation he inherited at IU. 63-45 in the B1G after those 3 years with 2 titles. That’s a pretty good record. So with the current situation at UE, we should expect our next coach to have a horrible conference record the next 3 years? -- not sure if I can buy into that outlook. No we shouldn’t because the portal has drastically changed how you revamp a roster now compared to 2008. He’s also competing in a MUCH harder conference. He had good recruiting classes right out the gate, but it’s hard to win with only talented freshman in the B1G. Those guys went to the Sweet 16 their senior year and his second class came into their senior year as consensus Pre-Season #1. Holding 3 years against him because he inherited IU at the programs all time low is a ridiculous and uninformed take imo. But if you expect our next coach to come in and be above .500 in The Valley in the first three years, I’ve got some bad news for you: it’s not going to happen! Next season is already lost and will count against his record. I say best case scenario we win 5 valley games but I’d be surprised to see 3 wins unless he’s hired quick and recruiting really takes off. Next year after that he’s likely going to have a bunch of new players via the portal to get his guys in. Probly not going .500 in The Valley in year two. If we’re REALLY lucky, we get over the hump in year 3 and contend. But I’m just hoping for continual improvement, a team that wins at home and makes every game competitive, and would be fine with waiting until year 4 to really be hopeful about competing at the top of the MVC.
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Post by E-Villan on May 6, 2022 9:19:53 GMT -6
I am pretty sure if it wasn't for the Twitter Pack running around with all of their Tom Crean memes, he wouldn't even be on the list. I see way too many similarities between Crean and Lickliter. Both had success at a mid-major, and both flamed out spectacularly at an also-ran P5. The only difference is the IU stint for Crean. He did have some success, but IU still had plenty of street cred when Crean showed up. When the Indiana Hoosiers called, people were much more likely to pick up than when Iowa or Georgia called. I also don't recall Crean having much more persona that Lickliter. I will say he was much more dynamic than Archie though.
I am still on the McCullom train, but I am starting to warm up to Todd Franklin from Vincennes. With the portal, coaches are going to have to be recruiting constantly and able to rebuild quickly. What better experience than a JUCO coach, who has to do that every year now? Don't forget, the last JUCO coach we hired worked out pretty well, and did a complete rebuild to NCAA bid in 4 seasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 9:19:56 GMT -6
Who pays for the tournament? No squads in S. Indiana? Need to check again. Look under the "Columbus Sectional."
Who pays for tournaments? Um ... look at the insurance company ads wrapped around every IHSAA event. Banks are big buyers. If you don't want these kids to experience sport and character development, we can go back to the 1930s. I don't think gymnastics is breaking the budget. If anything, adding sports increases student involvement, parental interest and a connection to colleges across the country. Organized sport >>> hanging out on street corners.
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Post by stennisrm72 on May 6, 2022 9:23:23 GMT -6
Because of the horrible Georgia tenure, and even with that he’s only 8 games below .500. I don’t think it’s fair to remove the entire IU stint. The man won two Big Ten titles. Just saying that ANY coach would’ve had a horrible conference record the first 3 years with the situation he inherited at IU. 63-45 in the B1G after those 3 years with 2 titles. That’s a pretty good record. So with the current situation at UE, we should expect our next coach to have a horrible conference record the next 3 years? -- not sure if I can buy into that outlook. I agree with your point but I feel it's an apples and oranges comparison. The MVC isn't the B1G. Look at what happened with Drake not so long ago. This can be a worst to first scenario with the right coaching staff. FWIW I don't think Crean is that man.
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Post by aceloverlarry on May 6, 2022 9:23:39 GMT -6
Who pays for the tournament? No squads in S. Indiana? Need to check again. Look under the "Columbus Sectional."
Wow! No school within two hours of Evansville. You got me on that one. The point still stands that it doesn’t affect the schools unless they want the programs. I’m done arguing about HS athletics and these ridiculous takes
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Post by aceloverlarry on May 6, 2022 9:26:01 GMT -6
So with the current situation at UE, we should expect our next coach to have a horrible conference record the next 3 years? -- not sure if I can buy into that outlook. I agree with your point but I feel it's an apples and oranges comparison. The MVC isn't the B1G. Look at what happened with Drake not so long ago. This can be a worst to first scenario with the right coaching staff. FWIW I don't think Crean is that man. I don’t recall how much roster turnover Drake had, but it was probably not nearly as bad as our situation and not as late of a start. I agree a quick turnaround can happen, but next season is already likely lost. Hopefully with a full recruiting cycle under his belt we can compete in 23-24.
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Post by E-Villan on May 6, 2022 9:27:50 GMT -6
This thread is about the next UE coach, not the IHSAA. There is an off-topic section that hardly get used, where this would be a great conversation.
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Post by municup14 on May 6, 2022 9:28:55 GMT -6
I would lean more toward the Creighton assistant or the Morehead St.coach.
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Post by IndyAce on May 6, 2022 9:34:43 GMT -6
I'm going to go ahead and again say the name Steven Pearl. Auburn's best recruiter, except for maybe his dad. Been with his dad for what, 8 years? Young, energetic. Has witnessed first hand what it takes to build a program.
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Post by bballjunkie on May 6, 2022 9:43:54 GMT -6
Creighton's Assistant Ryan Miller MUST BE INTERVIEWED - great coaching resume, solid playing career, and could bring in his brother Mike Miller as an assistant to really hit the recruiting trail hard. Ziggy would likely have some history with Ryan Miller since he spent time in Memphis as an assistant under Calipari. Plus Mike Miller played for the Memphis Grizzlies and may have had contact thru Ryan. This pairing would be hungry and want to develop a program fast and have the recruiting prowess to do it. If money is not an issue, bring 'em to Evansville. Who knows, maybe Mike Miller's 2 high school aged kids could develop into some 3 or 4 star players and bring their talents to UE (just an idea - LOL). gocreighton.com/staff-directory/ryan-miller/1322
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 9:44:25 GMT -6
There are 800 coaches that can take the job and turn it around. The list that's provided here is confined to 4 or 5 people we've actually heard of.
I wrote earlier about 'bait and switch.' Example: Sure, I will come to UE in exchange for doing a commercial for the local jeweler. After I get there and the fans all love me, I'll be happy to stay if you toss in another grand a month. Whoa, that's nice but "Midwestern" just offered me two grand. How about, we talk to my agent.
How about, not recruiting that jerk? You want to win with dignity. There are not 800 coaches who understand all this. Fife has come out with an opinion about it. I'd pay attention to that, even if you don't think it's the right opinion. There are 800 coaches out there who will soon fully understand what happens. The naive ones will continue to be played like a carnie puppet.
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Post by aceloverlarry on May 6, 2022 9:47:11 GMT -6
I would lean more toward the Creighton assistant or the Morehead St.coach. Moorehead coach would be great, but he just signed an extension and I’d imagine there’s a big buyout in there for whatever team might try to poach him. Probably makes him a hard get for UE. I was unaware of the Creighton coach before the tweet, but if he’s interested, I think he’s my top candidate personally.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 9:49:33 GMT -6
I don't agree or disagree on Crean's ability to win, but I also think UE wants to market itself as a place where a new coach can come in and thrive, as opposed to a place where we park our used-up people. Lickliter's tenure at UE was not a shining star for people who see the Valley as a robust conference that is climbing upward. Crean doesn't rescue the Aces and he doesn't make the process appealing to players who want to be in the 21st century, not in the shadow of what used to be Bobby Knight.
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Post by aceloverlarry on May 6, 2022 9:49:56 GMT -6
There are 800 coaches that can take the job and turn it around. The list that's provided here is confined to 4 or 5 people we've actually heard of. I wrote earlier about 'bait and switch.' Example: Sure, I will come to UE in exchange for doing a commercial for the local jeweler. After I get there and the fans all love me, I'll be happy to stay if you toss in another grand a month. Whoa, that's nice but "Midwestern" just offered me two grand. How about, we talk to my agent. How about, not recruiting that jerk? You want to win with dignity. There are not 800 coaches who understand all this. Fife has come out with an opinion about it. I'd pay attention to that, even if you don't think it's the right opinion. There are 800 coaches out there who will soon fully understand what happens. The naive ones will continue to be played like a carnie puppet. In my opinion, Fife would be the most likely “bait and switch” of them all. Once he has success and has rehabbed his coaching image, he’s going to be gone for the first P6 or A10/MWC that offers him.
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Post by aceloverlarry on May 6, 2022 9:51:43 GMT -6
Creighton's Assistant Ryan Miller MUST BE INTERVIEWED - great coaching resume, solid playing career, and could bring in his brother Mike Miller as an assistant to really hit the recruiting trail hard. Ziggy would likely have some history with Ryan Miller since he spent time in Memphis as an assistant under Calipari. Plus Mike Miller played for the Memphis Grizzlies and may have had contact thru Ryan. This pairing would be hungry and want to develop a program fast and have the recruiting prowess to do it. If money is not an issue, bring 'em to Evansville. Who knows, maybe Mike Miller's 2 high school aged kids could develop into some 3 or 4 star players and bring their talents to UE (just an idea - LOL). gocreighton.com/staff-directory/ryan-miller/1322 I didn’t realize he was Mike Millers brother. Mike also has experience being on Penny Hardaways staff. This is now definitely my #1 pick. Let’s turn UE into the Miller show!
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