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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 8:41:16 GMT -6
The court IQ for players now is frankly being destroyed by the coaches long before they get to the university level.
The players with overall skills and talents are being herded into AAU programs and left there to play 1-on-1 ball. These programs don't need to win games, they don't need to foster teamwork. It's like a young pro baseball player signing and being told to spend the next 2 years working on his sacrifice bunts. Exactly how does he advance to the majors with that skill? He's going to be promoted if he can HIT.
Same in AAU ball. The guys who are seeded there aren't trying to make OTHER players look good. The AAU style of play is constant in college ball now. These guys usually spend another year in "prep school" getting their "grades" up to meet the Prop rules. So they get to UE and the coach says, 'wow this kid can take it to the rack.'
The players you get who can pass are Shamar Givance, who's 5-10 and is being asked to play the middle of the defense against a guy who is 6-4.
To summarize: The IQ on the court that Jerry Sloan brought or guys after him -- the players still have that but nobody wants them to develop it. The kids who stay in high school and learn this from the old coaches are becoming rare now. HS ball is a lot of private schools now with players who are getting the same kind of coaching. If you're 6-7 and in a private school, you are not being asked to improve your court IQ.
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Post by evilleman on Jan 24, 2020 8:58:11 GMT -6
A lot of great points in this thread. Here's my take on Tom's point about basketball IQ. We are recruiting kids that everyone else in the country is recruiting. It's my belief our basketball isn't IQ isn't behind others. I think it is more exposed when you aren't very good. And let's call a spade a spade it's been a rough go of it lately for the Aces. The margin of error is much smaller and bad decisions hurt more and stick in your head more. During the Mock, DJ year and the bounce that broke my heart I don't recall any posts referring to this. It is because we were actually good so mistakes were not amplified.
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Post by COUTEAU on Jan 24, 2020 9:27:05 GMT -6
The court IQ for players now is frankly being destroyed by the coaches long before they get to the university level. The players with overall skills and talents are being herded into AAU programs and left there to play 1-on-1 ball. These programs don't need to win games, they don't need to foster teamwork. It's like a young pro baseball player signing and being told to spend the next 2 years working on his sacrifice bunts. Exactly how does he advance to the majors with that skill? He's going to be promoted if he can HIT. Same in AAU ball. The guys who are seeded there aren't trying to make OTHER players look good. The AAU style of play is constant in college ball now. These guys usually spend another year in "prep school" getting their "grades" up to meet the Prop rules. So they get to UE and the coach says, 'wow this kid can take it to the rack.' The players you get who can pass are Shamar Givance, who's 5-10 and is being asked to play the middle of the defense against a guy who is 6-4. To summarize: The IQ on the court that Jerry Sloan brought or guys after him -- the players still have that but nobody wants them to develop it. The kids who stay in high school and learn this from the old coaches are becoming rare now. HS ball is a lot of private schools now with players who are getting the same kind of coaching. If you're 6-7 and in a private school, you are not being asked to improve your court IQ. Best way to dissolve all that AAU, prep school, all star summer league, audition for Power 5 school bull shite, is to end the "one & done". Allow those type of "super baller" kids to go pro, straight outta high school. Take the colleges out of the baby sitting an 18 year old role and quit making a joke of the term, "student athlete". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 22:34:38 GMT -6
In my mind it all starts with leadership and vision. This is why I love the hire of Lick. I have no illusions of him suddenly turning the team around this season. The real season for Coach L is going to begin this off season. I am still breathing much easier since his hire.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 22:37:45 GMT -6
A lot of great points in this thread. Here's my take on Tom's point about basketball IQ. We are recruiting kids that everyone else in the country is recruiting. It's my belief our basketball isn't IQ isn't behind others. I think it is more exposed when you aren't very good. And let's call a spade a spade it's been a rough go of it lately for the Aces. The margin of error is much smaller and bad decisions hurt more and stick in your head more. During the Mock, DJ year and the bounce that broke my heart I don't recall any posts referring to this. It is because we were actually good so mistakes were not amplified. I don't ever refer to the bounce. That season should not have come to just that one instanse |
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Post by evilleways on Jan 25, 2020 9:04:53 GMT -6
Sounds reasonable to me. The only thing I might question is whether or not some of the low IQ bball we've been seeing is attributable to McCarty's approach. I was already questioning his offensive and defensive schemes before the suspension. You can throw in hustle on top of that. It starts at the top. McCarty's offense was very much NBA-esque. Set plays designed to get guys an open shot. When it worked, and there were times when it did, it was beautiful. But a lot of the time, you'd have guys who couldn't make the required on-a-rope pass or hit the open shot. That's attributable to the lower skill level at UE vs. the Boston Celtics. Another way to put it... traditional college offenses require players to make reads and decisions. McCartyball required players to make plays. Since the team isn't used to having to read the defense and make decisions about how to exploit what they see, we're getting what we've seen the past several games... a reversion to last year's late-shot-clock-KJ-drives-and-hopes-for-a-foul offense. We have talent on the team, but they still haven't meshed. Maybe we can get an offense installed where the players know and take advantage of each other's strengths, but most teams did that in October and November. Our lack of a floor general is also coming back to bite us hard. |
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Post by sect3purple on Jan 25, 2020 14:12:42 GMT -6
A lot of great points in this thread. Here's my take on Tom's point about basketball IQ. We are recruiting kids that everyone else in the country is recruiting. It's my belief our basketball isn't IQ isn't behind others. I think it is more exposed when you aren't very good. And let's call a spade a spade it's been a rough go of it lately for the Aces. The margin of error is much smaller and bad decisions hurt more and stick in your head more. During the Mock, DJ year and the bounce that broke my heart I don't recall any posts referring to this. It is because we were actually good so mistakes were not amplified. I don't ever refer to the bounce. That season should not have come to just that one instanse |
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Post by lawrencevgibson on Jan 25, 2020 14:14:33 GMT -6
At this point I would be open to a little experimentation. Try Henderson in the starting lineup as a 2. Go ahead and give Peace more PT and see if he can adjust. What's the worst that can happen? He fouls out in 10 minutes? We're at such a low point that we can't fall much farther.
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Post by sect3purple on Jan 25, 2020 14:18:35 GMT -6
Actually, that bounce broke my heart, too, and seeing DJ sitting on the floor realizing our season was over. Yet, it wasn't that last circus shot that robbed us...it was the 18 pt. deficit we faced after the first half. Still can remember every minute of the games there in St. Louis cheering with the big crowd of Aces fans for our team. Sure hope we get to do the same in a championship game soon...with a different outcome.
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Post by acepurple84 on Jan 25, 2020 14:21:12 GMT -6
Purp and stennis - I agree 100% - I definitely think the McCarty approach is a factor in all this - excellent point. From what I have seen - I would say Walter strength was recruiting. As far as his ability to play the X and O's game and drill the fundamentals - I think it was questionable (at best). And absolutely - the hustle and the defensive/offensive schemes are a factor in it as well. His approach was too laid back - these are 18-22 year old kids, at time you are going to have to "drop the hammer" on them. For instance, the times where Cunliffe didn't run back down the floor after missing a shot or Turning it over. Can you imagine what Jim Crews would have done to him after that?
It will take time to clean up but I certainly hope Lick can fix some of it.
It is probably correct that Walter was a better recuiter because many saw a path to the NBA. But as far as an offense we were running a NBA style of out scoring an opponent while having No Defense. Theory kind of might be good, if you have excellent shooters. We did at first then lost our confidence and things blew up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 15:36:58 GMT -6
........... For instance, the times where Cunliffe didn't run back down the floor after missing a shot or Turning it over. Can you imagine what Jim Crews would have done to him after that? **
Cunliffe is on his 3rd program, so there's evidence of something even if it's that there were 8 guys better than him. Watching him play, there aren't 8 guys better than him on any roster, not in terms of raw talent. He should be leading the Valley in a lot of categories.
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