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Post by Tom Servo on Jan 23, 2020 12:05:19 GMT -6
I made a post about basketball IQ in the other thread and got ripped for it. So I will try to elaborate on what I mean.
If you look at the success Evansville teams had at the D1 level, what things did we do well?
1. We had high B-Ball IQ players who knew when to pass, how to read the defense, how to handle the ball, and had mastered the basic basketball fundamentals. I really think this is something that we've lacked for a long time and this is why I continue to harp on it. Are all of our players Low B-Ball IQ players, absolutely not. But are some of them? In my mind, they absolutely are. Too many times we try to drive into two/three people instead of kicking it out or reversing the ball. Too many times we do a terrible job of dribbling the ball, blocking out, rotating on defense, and getting back down the floor on defense. All these things are fundamentals that the high IQ teams do well. That is what I meant by that comment.
2. The other thing is obviously three point shooting. That's the great equalizer in the game. We shot it well under Crews and it's really been a struggle since. To win here, we've got to be able to shoot better than what we have. And to do that - we've got to have better shooters. Many of them. Hopefully Lick will be able to recruit some of them. And it's not just threes either, it's finishing at the rim, making a simple layup instead of trying to make a dunk or wild shot.
3. the other thing is we always hustled. This year I've seen multiple times where a UE player hasn't ran back on defense after missing a shot or turning it over. Guys, that can't happen.
I'm frustrated, I'll still go and support them but this is just painful for me to watch as a long time fan (20+ years).
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Post by purpleaces on Jan 23, 2020 19:05:24 GMT -6
I made a post about basketball IQ in the other thread and got ripped for it. So I will try to elaborate on what I mean.
If you look at the success Evansville teams had at the D1 level, what things did we do well?
1. We had high B-Ball IQ players who knew when to pass, how to read the defense, how to handle the ball, and had mastered the basic basketball fundamentals. I really think this is something that we've lacked for a long time and this is why I continue to harp on it. Are all of our players Low B-Ball IQ players, absolutely not. But are some of them? In my mind, they absolutely are. Too many times we try to drive into two/three people instead of kicking it out or reversing the ball. Too many times we do a terrible job of dribbling the ball, blocking out, rotating on defense, and getting back down the floor on defense. All these things are fundamentals that the high IQ teams do well. That is what I meant by that comment.
2. The other thing is obviously three point shooting. That's the great equalizer in the game. We shot it well under Crews and it's really been a struggle since. To win here, we've got to be able to shoot better than what we have. And to do that - we've got to have better shooters. Many of them. Hopefully Lick will be able to recruit some of them. And it's not just threes either, it's finishing at the rim, making a simple layup instead of trying to make a dunk or wild shot.
3. the other thing is we always hustled. This year I've seen multiple times where a UE player hasn't ran back on defense after missing a shot or turning it over. Guys, that can't happen.
I'm frustrated, I'll still go and support them but this is just painful for me to watch as a long time fan (20+ years). You don't have anything to clear up. Most on this board knew exactly what you meant. Hit the nail on the head and an excellent post. Agree with it all. We had guys several times last night dribble right into 2 guys and turn it over. Again don't apologize and keep posting your thoughts. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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Post by acecard on Jan 23, 2020 19:16:56 GMT -6
I made a post about basketball IQ in the other thread and got ripped for it. So I will try to elaborate on what I mean.
If you look at the success Evansville teams had at the D1 level, what things did we do well?
1. We had high B-Ball IQ players who knew when to pass, how to read the defense, how to handle the ball, and had mastered the basic basketball fundamentals. I really think this is something that we've lacked for a long time and this is why I continue to harp on it. Are all of our players Low B-Ball IQ players, absolutely not. But are some of them? In my mind, they absolutely are. Too many times we try to drive into two/three people instead of kicking it out or reversing the ball. Too many times we do a terrible job of dribbling the ball, blocking out, rotating on defense, and getting back down the floor on defense. All these things are fundamentals that the high IQ teams do well. That is what I meant by that comment.
2. The other thing is obviously three point shooting. That's the great equalizer in the game. We shot it well under Crews and it's really been a struggle since. To win here, we've got to be able to shoot better than what we have. And to do that - we've got to have better shooters. Many of them. Hopefully Lick will be able to recruit some of them. And it's not just threes either, it's finishing at the rim, making a simple layup instead of trying to make a dunk or wild shot.
3. the other thing is we always hustled. This year I've seen multiple times where a UE player hasn't ran back on defense after missing a shot or turning it over. Guys, that can't happen.
I'm frustrated, I'll still go and support them but this is just painful for me to watch as a long time fan (20+ years). You don't have anything to clear up. Most on this board knew exactly what you meant. Hit the nail on the head and an excellent post. Agree with it all. We had guys several times last night dribble right into 2 guys and turn it over. Again don't apologize and keep posting your thoughts. Always enjoy reading your posts. Givance does it several times a game.
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Post by Purp on Jan 23, 2020 19:57:17 GMT -6
I made a post about basketball IQ in the other thread and got ripped for it. So I will try to elaborate on what I mean.
If you look at the success Evansville teams had at the D1 level, what things did we do well?
1. We had high B-Ball IQ players who knew when to pass, how to read the defense, how to handle the ball, and had mastered the basic basketball fundamentals. I really think this is something that we've lacked for a long time and this is why I continue to harp on it. Are all of our players Low B-Ball IQ players, absolutely not. But are some of them? In my mind, they absolutely are. Too many times we try to drive into two/three people instead of kicking it out or reversing the ball. Too many times we do a terrible job of dribbling the ball, blocking out, rotating on defense, and getting back down the floor on defense. All these things are fundamentals that the high IQ teams do well. That is what I meant by that comment.
2. The other thing is obviously three point shooting. That's the great equalizer in the game. We shot it well under Crews and it's really been a struggle since. To win here, we've got to be able to shoot better than what we have. And to do that - we've got to have better shooters. Many of them. Hopefully Lick will be able to recruit some of them. And it's not just threes either, it's finishing at the rim, making a simple layup instead of trying to make a dunk or wild shot.
3. the other thing is we always hustled. This year I've seen multiple times where a UE player hasn't ran back on defense after missing a shot or turning it over. Guys, that can't happen.
I'm frustrated, I'll still go and support them but this is just painful for me to watch as a long time fan (20+ years). Sounds reasonable to me. The only thing I might question is whether or not some of the low IQ bball we've been seeing is attributable to McCarty's approach. I was already questioning his offensive and defensive schemes before the suspension. You can throw in hustle on top of that. It starts at the top.
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Post by coachd88 on Jan 23, 2020 20:10:54 GMT -6
I dont question...I agree with Tom. As most of the people at one point or the other has posted. These players are playing D1 basketball. Which should mean they were top notch players in high school and should have the fundamentals and skills succeed at the D1 level. Be it Marty or Walt...if the players didnt have it there.. they shouldnt be here. There is no way a player at this level should ever forget how to play solid, fundamental basketball. If they have been allowed to play however...that is definitely on coaching. That being said, if they have a lick of pride in what they are doing and what they hopefully want to accomplish as a team....that falls back on players.
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Post by stennisrm72 on Jan 23, 2020 20:20:35 GMT -6
I made a post about basketball IQ in the other thread and got ripped for it. So I will try to elaborate on what I mean.
If you look at the success Evansville teams had at the D1 level, what things did we do well?
1. We had high B-Ball IQ players who knew when to pass, how to read the defense, how to handle the ball, and had mastered the basic basketball fundamentals. I really think this is something that we've lacked for a long time and this is why I continue to harp on it. Are all of our players Low B-Ball IQ players, absolutely not. But are some of them? In my mind, they absolutely are. Too many times we try to drive into two/three people instead of kicking it out or reversing the ball. Too many times we do a terrible job of dribbling the ball, blocking out, rotating on defense, and getting back down the floor on defense. All these things are fundamentals that the high IQ teams do well. That is what I meant by that comment.
2. The other thing is obviously three point shooting. That's the great equalizer in the game. We shot it well under Crews and it's really been a struggle since. To win here, we've got to be able to shoot better than what we have. And to do that - we've got to have better shooters. Many of them. Hopefully Lick will be able to recruit some of them. And it's not just threes either, it's finishing at the rim, making a simple layup instead of trying to make a dunk or wild shot.
3. the other thing is we always hustled. This year I've seen multiple times where a UE player hasn't ran back on defense after missing a shot or turning it over. Guys, that can't happen.
I'm frustrated, I'll still go and support them but this is just painful for me to watch as a long time fan (20+ years). Sounds reasonable to me. The only thing I might question is whether or not some of the low IQ bball we've been seeing is attributable to McCarty's approach. I was already questioning his offensive and defensive schemes before the suspension. You can throw in hustle on top of that. It starts at the top. Thank you. It's not NECESSARILY about the players. The system combined with the struggle to hit shots is the larger contributors to recent frustrations. There's got to be some middle ground.
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Post by Atlanta Ace on Jan 23, 2020 21:18:50 GMT -6
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Post by coachd88 on Jan 23, 2020 21:22:36 GMT -6
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Post by ibleedpurple on Jan 23, 2020 21:40:41 GMT -6
I made a post about basketball IQ in the other thread and got ripped for it. So I will try to elaborate on what I mean.
If you look at the success Evansville teams had at the D1 level, what things did we do well?
1. We had high B-Ball IQ players who knew when to pass, how to read the defense, how to handle the ball, and had mastered the basic basketball fundamentals. I really think this is something that we've lacked for a long time and this is why I continue to harp on it. Are all of our players Low B-Ball IQ players, absolutely not. But are some of them? In my mind, they absolutely are. Too many times we try to drive into two/three people instead of kicking it out or reversing the ball. Too many times we do a terrible job of dribbling the ball, blocking out, rotating on defense, and getting back down the floor on defense. All these things are fundamentals that the high IQ teams do well. That is what I meant by that comment.
2. The other thing is obviously three point shooting. That's the great equalizer in the game. We shot it well under Crews and it's really been a struggle since. To win here, we've got to be able to shoot better than what we have. And to do that - we've got to have better shooters. Many of them. Hopefully Lick will be able to recruit some of them. And it's not just threes either, it's finishing at the rim, making a simple layup instead of trying to make a dunk or wild shot.
3. the other thing is we always hustled. This year I've seen multiple times where a UE player hasn't ran back on defense after missing a shot or turning it over. Guys, that can't happen.
I'm frustrated, I'll still go and support them but this is just painful for me to watch as a long time fan (20+ years). You don't have anything to clear up. Most on this board knew exactly what you meant. Hit the nail on the head and an excellent post. Agree with it all. We had guys several times last night dribble right into 2 guys and turn it over. Again don't apologize and keep posting your thoughts. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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Post by ibleedpurple on Jan 23, 2020 21:49:32 GMT -6
Agree 100% and keep sharing your thoughts which have been spot on..this blog or the other one..
It came from the coaching which started with the recruting and building the system..smart coach, smart players, guys that could hit 3s. We often had 3 or 4 guys on the court at all times which were a threat to score from deep which opened up the paint and it was not always 3 or 4 guards either.
What we have had for the last x number of years is one, maybe 2 guys on the court that could shoot from deep. What we have currently are a number of guys who dribble way too much, into traffic and pass way too little. We also have guys "who think" they are NBA level players because somewhere along the line they were told or believed it to be true, and those guys do not hustle back and hang their head when making a poor play on the offensive end. I am already sick of these type of plays. Some of our guys were not Walter recruits that continue to dribble into the defense and lose the ball but when you cannot shoot behind ten feet you pass the ball and don't be selfish and dribble and turn it over.
I think Todd is a much better coach than Walter would have ever become so hopefully he will get this fixed if not by St Louis, for next year and beyond.
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Post by aceshigh on Jan 23, 2020 22:56:55 GMT -6
I mostly agree with you Bleed. I’ve been saying all year that McCarty has been trying to put a square peg in a round hole. I’ve been questioning whether Walter could coach a college team.
His NBA style requires players to have individual one-on-one skills and the ability to hit an open shot. IMO we have a team full of players that aren’t very good at either except DeAndre. This is evidenced by our poor shooting percentage and like someone posted earlier poor scoring efficiency. Without DeAndre you look at the shot charts and they look like mushrooms around the 3-point line and we are hitting only about 25% of those. I told someone back in November that the way to beat UE is to collapse to the middle and play hard interior defense and let them shoot 3s all night. They can’t win.
It’s not the players fault for lack of skills when they are being used in the wrong way. To me this is a lack of judgment on the coach for not making adjustments to fit the team you have. However, this doesn’t excuse the players for making poor on court decisions. It’s been frustrating to see different players driving into traffic only to lose the ball or throwing up a hopeless shot hoping to draw a foul. Is this low player IQ or is it coaching telling them for the last year it’s what they need to do? I’m not a coach nor have I played organized basketball, but after observing this game for a lot of years a recognize good team and individual play and right now we have neither.
I’ve been complaining to my wife all year that something’s not right with this team. They have not put it together. I’m thinking now that Coach McCarty was the biggest part of the problem. We should find out over the next year or two if this ship can be righted. Coach Lickliter has been an excellent Coach in the past. Absence of a mass exodus of players at the end of this year and the loss of the current recruits we shall see what he can do. I’ve been worried about what we do when our current crop of Juniors graduate but TL brought excellent players to Butler that gained them National recognition.
This year is a bust but let’s see what next year brings with the current team. Let’s see who he recruits and brings in next November and how he utilizes those players. Years 3-4 of his contract will be the key. He either puts a better team on the floor and gets the Aces on a winning track that Valley teams will fear UE on their schedule or we start a national search for a new coach again. I think that in the next two years we will know where we are going.
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Post by 6thman on Jan 23, 2020 23:15:06 GMT -6
I'm sorry but it isn't time to write this season off. there is a minimum of 12 games still to be played. In the last month the team has been shocked,reorganized and now looking to the future. We gave Ben Seltzer 3 weeks to change the playing format His results were starting to show. Now they are returning to the orginial..start of the season format. True this will be the most difficult part of the schedule but they are the team that beat Kentucky, Ball State, Murray state and took SMU to the wire. Let them catch their breath and give Todd Lickliter more than a day to turn the team back to who they were a month ago after beating Murray.
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Post by sect3purple on Jan 24, 2020 0:50:22 GMT -6
I'm sorry but it isn't time to write this season off. there is a minimum of 12 games still to be played. In the last month the team has been shocked,reorganized and now looking to the future. We gave Ben Seltzer 3 weeks to change the playing format His results were starting to show. Now they are returning to the orginial..start of the season format. True this will be the most difficult part of the schedule but they are the team that beat Kentucky, Ball State, Murray state and took SMU to the wire. Let them catch their breath and give Todd Lickliter more than a day to turn the team back to who they were a month ago after beating Murray. I agree...while we look weak and nontalented recently, we have to remember when we were good enough to beat KY, Ball State, Murray State, and almost beat SMU. We miss Williams, yes, but surely we have not lost all our basketball skills and scoring ability. What we have lost is confidence and passion for the game. I watched Murray State and Belmont play tonight...saw some really great basketball on both teams...including great defense and great shooting. There is no reason why Evansville can't put a team like these two, especially Murray State on the FC floor! Hard working teams who shot threes like throwing weighted confetti in the air while celebrating a championship at St. Louis!
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Post by municup14 on Jan 24, 2020 5:22:41 GMT -6
I've noticed that our offense has changed since Benny took over and has continued with Todd.Walters offense was getting to be everyone stood outside the 3 point line.Now they are starting to cut through the paint more.
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Post by Tom Servo on Jan 24, 2020 8:12:28 GMT -6
Purp and stennis - I agree 100% - I definitely think the McCarty approach is a factor in all this - excellent point. From what I have seen - I would say Walter strength was recruiting. As far as his ability to play the X and O's game and drill the fundamentals - I think it was questionable (at best). And absolutely - the hustle and the defensive/offensive schemes are a factor in it as well. His approach was too laid back - these are 18-22 year old kids, at time you are going to have to "drop the hammer" on them. For instance, the times where Cunliffe didn't run back down the floor after missing a shot or Turning it over. Can you imagine what Jim Crews would have done to him after that?
It will take time to clean up but I certainly hope Lick can fix some of it.
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