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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 9:00:58 GMT -6
My first reaction was shock that the announcement came so quickly. And I was expecting/hoping for a young up-and-coming coach. But we don’t know everything. Spencer, Pres P and Lickliter have no doubt been discussing the issues we have raised over the past few days (or longer) - style of play, relationship to current players, recruiting, marketing the program, potential length of tenure, etc. This is not a typical situation. Given the spiraling state of things, making the hire now may have made the most sense. You may disagree with the decision, but it is a solid hire and far from ridiculous. I guess we will have to wait and see how it works out. I agree 83, I have a feeling that Pres P had his mind made up from the beginning that McCarty wasn't coming back. I now think some of the delay was actually negotiating with Lickliter and making sure they had the plan in place before announcing his termination. As much as we all discussed all of the scenarios, none of us had this pegged.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 9:05:09 GMT -6
My first post the day Walter was suspended was, go get Lickliter and hit the ground running.
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Post by lawrencevgibson on Jan 22, 2020 9:18:57 GMT -6
Another new chapter in the books. I’m sure we can’t expect a radical change in the way things have been going but I think it can only get better from here, at least I hope it does get better. Question is will the team be open minded enough to work with Todd and try to turn the corner. I think changes need to be made in the style of game play and possibly a lineup change. Time will tell. I guess the other question is will Todd keep Seltzer?
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Post by municup14 on Jan 22, 2020 9:46:57 GMT -6
Dont have all the stats.But didn't we lose more close games last year with Lickliter and Graves on the sidelines than this year.We have had a lot of blowouts with WM and without.Plus we had less talent on the floor lastyear
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Post by aceschamps6571 on Jan 22, 2020 10:00:59 GMT -6
Dont have all the stats.But didn't we lose more close games last year with Lickliter and Graves on the sidelines than this year.We have had a lot of blowouts with WM and without.Plus we had less talent on the floor lastyear By the same token, were there not more blowout losses this season, with supposedly far superior talent, than last season? It just might be that some of those close losses you mentioned a year ago, may have been competitive games because coaching kept them in those games. I don't know if that's what happened, but just seemed to me like those guys last year played with a belief that they could compete, at least until the latter part of the season when their lack of depth hit and they were worn down.
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Post by goacesgo on Jan 22, 2020 10:02:16 GMT -6
Dont have all the stats.But didn't we lose more close games last year with Lickliter and Graves on the sidelines than this year.We have had a lot of blowouts with WM and without.Plus we had less talent on the floor lastyear I had the same thought, even without Williams the last several games there still more talent this year than last and we were competitive for the most part last year.
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Post by municup14 on Jan 22, 2020 10:09:39 GMT -6
Dont have all the stats.But didn't we lose more close games last year with Lickliter and Graves on the sidelines than this year.We have had a lot of blowouts with WM and without.Plus we had less talent on the floor lastyear By the same token, were there not more blowout losses this season, with supposedly far superior talent, than last season? It just might be that some of those close losses you mentioned a year ago, may have been competitive games because coaching kept them in those games. I don't know if that's what happened, but just seemed to me like those guys last year played with a belief that they could compete, at least until the latter part of the season when their lack of depth hit and they were worn down. That's what my point was,with Lickliter and Graves on the sidelines last year we were not blowed out as much as this year,Jax St.,Bahamas,and others
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Post by gaace on Jan 22, 2020 10:11:16 GMT -6
I agree with most on this thread. This was a good hire. This will be a three year situation at the most. Coach is a great guy with a proven track record who is in his mid 60s. In addition to his college resume already spelled out, he has NBA ties as he worked for Stevens in Boston. That was one of the big selling points of our previous coach. They key to all of this is who will he bring in as assistants because one of them will more than likely be the head coach by 2023. In all honesty...forget all the ridiculousness off the court...our previous coach was one of the craziest hires ever. No head coaching experience. Part of a coaching tree who has had major issues with rules and compliance. Came from a “national coaching search” that included three candidates from Evansville. All accounts I heard was that practices were a joke. Players cussing at coaches and each other. I realize Coach Lickliter left because of health issues, but I truly wonder why Coach Graves left as well. Some will say more money or to be an assistant in the Big East. But I’m not so sure about that. Looking forward to stability and growth throughout the rest of the season... Love your comment about the “national coaching search”. Not only were there three candidates from Evansville, they’re all from Harrison HS. Same as the Clemson coach (Brownell) whose name was mentioned here as a possible replacement. Head Coach candidates for a UE football comeback would be Studwell, Hardy, and Bennett. Regarding Graves, he’s a Special Assistant to the Head Coach, not officially an assistant coach, just like someone else we all know.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2020 10:36:35 GMT -6
ytele:
I didn't have any reason to spend 5 minutes reading Lickliter's resume and I don't even intend to address it. I never even made it a part of my comment, only that the term "ridiculous" is certainly more confined to an opinion than any real evidence.
If we expect UE to next year go 34-4 with the players they have, um ... they won't. If they go 14-18 now, I'd consider that a recovery. If they win 20 next year, I will be surprised. But I think the current interim coach is on pace to go 0-18 in the Valley.
Make whatever you will of the 'ridiculous' part of this.
Whether signing the guy for 3 years or 2.5 years or more than 18 months is relevant, who exactly did we have in mind who isn't on the current staff?
The complaint that the national search should have happened -- exactly which unemployed coach do you get in January? And if you want a coach who's on his way up, and if he's still under contract, you aren't allowed to go tampering with that. You just aren't. You can't call up Assistant Brightstar at any university and offer him a job unless he's not under contract. Your 'national' search has to wait until a group of coaches can be contacted -- and in an active season, you can't do that.
Lickliter is not the solution. But he is also not part of the problem. For all we know, he coaches this year and next, retires and they can find somebody. I don't see a grand recruiting program coming up, for what it's worth. A lot of Frederking-type players. Maybe a couple of tall guys from Lithu-ven-stralia ...
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Post by gaace on Jan 22, 2020 10:37:13 GMT -6
Another new chapter in the books. I’m sure we can’t expect a radical change in the way things have been going but I think it can only get better from here, at least I hope it does get better. Question is will the team be open minded enough to work with Todd and try to turn the corner. I think changes need to be made in the style of game play and possibly a lineup change. Time will tell. I guess the other question is will Todd keep Seltzer? Seltzer is listed as being on the coaching staff. I can’t think of another situation where an interim tag was pulled, a new coach hired, and the former interim remained on staff. Despite Walter being gone, the current staff was all brought to UE by McCarty. gopurpleaces.com/sports/mens-basketball/coaches
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Post by Purp on Jan 22, 2020 10:44:54 GMT -6
ytele: I didn't have any reason to spend 5 minutes reading Lickliter's resume and I don't even intend to address it. I never even made it a part of my comment, only that the term "ridiculous" is certainly more confined to an opinion than any real evidence. If we expect UE to next year go 34-4 with the players they have, um ... they won't. If they go 14-18 now, I'd consider that a recovery. If they win 20 next year, I will be surprised. But I think the current interim coach is on pace to go 0-18 in the Valley. Make whatever you will of the 'ridiculous' part of this. Whether signing the guy for 3 years or 2.5 years or more than 18 months is relevant, who exactly did we have in mind who isn't on the current staff? The complaint that the national search should have happened -- exactly which unemployed coach do you get in January? And if you want a coach who's on his way up, and if he's still under contract, you aren't allowed to go tampering with that. You just aren't. You can't call up Assistant Brightstar at any university and offer him a job unless he's not under contract. Your 'national' search has to wait until a group of coaches can be contacted -- and in an active season, you can't do that. Lickliter is not the solution. But he is also not part of the problem. For all we know, he coaches this year and next, retires and they can find somebody. I don't see a grand recruiting program coming up, for what it's worth. A lot of Frederking-type players. Maybe a couple of tall guys from Lithu-ven-stralia ... For the record, I fully support recruiting centers from Lithu-ven-stralia.
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Post by ytele on Jan 22, 2020 10:51:18 GMT -6
ytele: I didn't have any reason to spend 5 minutes reading Lickliter's resume and I don't even intend to address it. I never even made it a part of my comment, only that the term "ridiculous" is certainly more confined to an opinion than any real evidence. If we expect UE to next year go 34-4 with the players they have, um ... they won't. If they go 14-18 now, I'd consider that a recovery. If they win 20 next year, I will be surprised. But I think the current interim coach is on pace to go 0-18 in the Valley. Make whatever you will of the 'ridiculous' part of this. Whether signing the guy for 3 years or 2.5 years or more than 18 months is relevant, who exactly did we have in mind who isn't on the current staff? The complaint that the national search should have happened -- exactly which unemployed coach do you get in January? And if you want a coach who's on his way up, and if he's still under contract, you aren't allowed to go tampering with that. You just aren't. You can't call up Assistant Brightstar at any university and offer him a job unless he's not under contract. Your 'national' search has to wait until a group of coaches can be contacted -- and in an active season, you can't do that. Lickliter is not the solution. But he is also not part of the problem. For all we know, he coaches this year and next, retires and they can find somebody. I don't see a grand recruiting program coming up, for what it's worth. A lot of Frederking-type players. Maybe a couple of tall guys from Lithu-ven-stralia ... I never backed the claim of ridiculous. This year isn't going to turn around. We aren't Bradley. We aren't that talented outside of Williams. He isn't enough even if he came back 100% healthy today to get us anything other than maybe 9th place. If you look at the remainin SOS in Valley play through analytics, we have the most difficult schedule left. UNI and Drake twice, Bradley, Indiana State and Loyola once plus the rest. I said acceptable and adequate is what I'd call this hire. Todd isn't going to do anything significantly different than Benny would the rest of this season. No, they couldn't contact anyone right now. I said as much. I wouldn't expect UNI or Loyola levels of recruiting with any coach we have, but we are knocking our self down a half rung to a rung with the extreme majority of recruits by hiring a 64 year old lame duck from the start coach. Two more recruiting classes taking a hit because of it is going to hurt so much in the long run trying to overcome for the next coach Todd was going to be there in May, along with others that would have allowed for a more thorough search is all I'm saying.
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Post by kyace1 on Jan 22, 2020 10:57:03 GMT -6
Maybe the administration considered players perception of Lickliter. Perhaps he is the best person to hold the current roster together. Which would give them a chance to stabilize the program instead of going into the tank for yet another rebuild. A young hungry coach might have great energy, but without big-time name recognition would have trouble filling an entire roster immediately.
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Post by Purp on Jan 22, 2020 10:59:24 GMT -6
Maybe the administration considered players perception of Lickliter. Perhaps he is the best person to hold the current roster together. Which would give them a chance to stabilize the program instead of going into the tank for yet another rebuild. A young hungry coach might have great energy, but without big-time name recognition would have trouble filling an entire roster immediately. This is a really good point. I don't know if it happened, but it's reasonable to assume the players were consulted on this--at least informally.
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Post by ad1770 on Jan 22, 2020 11:17:10 GMT -6
Maybe the administration considered players perception of Lickliter. Perhaps he is the best person to hold the current roster together. Which would give them a chance to stabilize the program instead of going into the tank for yet another rebuild. A young hungry coach might have great energy, but without big-time name recognition would have trouble filling an entire roster immediately. This is a really good point. I don't know if it happened, but it's reasonable to assume the players were consulted on this--at least informally. Something else to remember. Recruiting goes out up to four years. I am quite sure that TL had contact with our current recruits before he left.
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